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post #616 of 820
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Originally Posted by ogodei View Post
 

 

If the additional decay is perceived as more bass, isn't that the same as "it has more bass" ?  Does the immediate source of the bass sometimes make it not bass?

 

It makes it not bass that was in the recording - so you don't get more of what was recorded. So more is not always more.

Let's hope Audeze have done their job and moved any resonance up really high out of the way of the music.

 

It could be more if the headphone extends lower revealing more of what was actually in the recording. This is obviously easier in a closed-back since there is less risk of back wave canceling the bass out. But the LCD2 already goes really really low.

post #617 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

You perceive more bass usually in a closed headphone where there is more resonance, and longer decaying bass.  Closed headphones can usually extend deeper too thanks to their seal, because there's less of a cavity to pressurize for the proper low notes.

 

I don't think I've come across a closed headphone yet that has less bass than what its measurements indicate, usually there's more perceived bass than their measurements indicate.  I've found open headphones to be the opposite.

 

My original statement was saying that I'd assume the XC would be more bassy than the X because of its closed-back nature.

 

Try the TH900. Its measured bass is no where near perceived bass. Further, there is no seal with the TH900, nor is the bass thick like all closed headphones you assume. It's quick, detailed, and if anything the LCD2 and LCD3 had a thicker slower bass. Making sweeping generalizations with limited first hand experience is a bad habit.


Edited by Girls Generation - 10/20/13 at 11:01am
post #618 of 820
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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post
 

 

It makes it not bass that was in the recording - so you don't get more of what was recorded. So more is not always more.

Let's hope Audeze have done their job and moved any resonance up really high out of the way of the music.

 

It could be more if the headphone extends lower revealing more of what was actually in the recording. This is obviously easier in a closed-back since there is less risk of back wave canceling the bass out. But the LCD2 already goes really really low.

 

I agree. For instance, my ES5 had a long decay whereas my JH16 has less. However, the JH16 has much more bass in comparison to the ES5. Ergo, resonance and decay doesn't equate to more bass. Just slower, softer, and sometimes bloomier bass.

post #619 of 820
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post
 

 

Try the TH900. Its measured bass is no where near perceived bass. Further, there is no seal with the TH900, nor is the bass thick like all closed headphones you assume. It's quick, detailed, and if anything the LCD2 and LCD3 had a thicker slower bass. Making sweeping generalizations with limited first hand experience is a bad habit.

 

Because I havn't tried one particular super-expensive closed headphone, I have limited firsthand experience?  Ok, guy.  I don't think I have to say much to point out the irony in that statement.


Edited by TMRaven - 10/20/13 at 3:22pm
post #620 of 820
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Because I havn't tried one particular super-expensive closed headphone, I have limited firsthand experience?  Ok, guy.  I don't think I have to say much to point out the irony in that statement.

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post #621 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

 

Because I havn't tried one particular super-expensive closed headphone, I have limited firsthand experience?  Ok, guy.  I don't think I have to say much to point out the irony in that statement.

 

So don't make sweeping generalizations about a particular type of product then. Assuming all closed back headphones have more bass regardless of tuning? What a joke.

post #622 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

 

Because I havn't tried one particular super-expensive closed headphone, I have limited firsthand experience?  Ok, guy.  I don't think I have to say much to point out the irony in that statement.

wut.

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Head-Fi needs a hug today.
post #624 of 820
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.............sigh...........

Yea I hear you there 

 

Still I like TMRaven like I enjoy my treble... closer to the accurate side and often called  "sharp" ;3 

post #625 of 820

My first post was worded poorly.  I cleared it up in the second post saying that I'd assume the XC to be more bassy than the X because of its closed back nature.  I've come across open headphones with more bass than closed headphones because of their tuning, no where am I trying to say that closed headphones have more bass regardless.  TH900 might be an exception, but the seal of the closed backs have usually created a more perceived bassy response from the headphones, because there's less volume to pressurize and the bass can extend lower with ease.  

 

So again, I'm not trying to make sweeping generalizations about anything, but you can keep thinking that if you want to.

post #626 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

You perceive more bass usually in a closed headphone where there is more resonance, and longer decaying bass.  Closed headphones can usually extend deeper too thanks to their seal, because there's less of a cavity to pressurize for the proper low notes.

 

I don't think I've come across a closed headphone yet that has less bass than what its measurements indicate, usually there's more perceived bass than their measurements indicate.  I've found open headphones to be the opposite.

 

My original statement was saying that I'd assume the XC would be more bassy than the X because of its closed-back nature.

 

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

My first post was worded poorly.  I cleared it up in the second post saying that I'd assume the XC to be more bassy than the X because of its closed back nature.  I've come across open headphones with more bass than closed headphones because of their tuning, no where am I trying to say that closed headphones have more bass regardless.  TH900 might be an exception, but the seal of the closed backs have usually created a more perceived bassy response from the headphones, because there's less volume to pressurize and the bass can extend lower with ease.  

 

So again, I'm not trying to make sweeping generalizations about anything, but you can keep thinking that if you want to.

 

Your second post still implies a statement, and a generalization assumption. But anyway, no point in going on further about this.

 

Regardless, I want to hear the XC for myself as I love the Audeze flavor and also would have appreciated a slightly more neutral tilt from the 2 and 3. Interesting thing is, however, my tastes may have changed to a U shape curve despite my genre preference still being vocals.


Edited by Girls Generation - 10/20/13 at 3:55pm
post #627 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

My first post was worded poorly.  I cleared it up in the second post saying that I'd assume the XC to be more bassy than the X because of its closed back nature.  I've come across open headphones with more bass than closed headphones because of their tuning, no where am I trying to say that closed headphones have more bass regardless.  TH900 might be an exception, but the seal of the closed backs have usually created a more perceived bassy response from the headphones, because there's less volume to pressurize and the bass can extend lower with ease.  

 

I agree, I think i mentioned that earlier myself... just not worded as nicely.

post #628 of 820

And I still stand by that statement too.  I'll still wait for X vs XC comparisons though before I'd think about buying either one.

post #629 of 820
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And I still stand by that statement too.  I'll still wait for X vs XC comparisons though before I'd think about buying either one.
Ahh...Finally back on track.
post #630 of 820

Interesting another planar, I bet that in 10 years from now there will be a lot of planar headphones. Now that manufacturers are making them cheaper and they are better than dynamics.


Edited by nicholars - 10/20/13 at 7:23pm
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