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IMO they definitely don't blow the AD away except maybe in looks. In comfort, the AD would be the one blowing the XC away. The XC sounded a bit more balanced and less intimate overall to me, but they're not miles away from each other in SQ.

what a shame :/ well good for Dan though, making such a great product! 

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what a shame :/ well good for Dan though, making such a great product! 
You've got to give the man credit, but its a shame that for 3 times the cost, The XC only has looks to boast. Unless weight is significantly different, you would think comfort would be similar, due to similar ear pads. With less isolation, We could be forgiven for expecting the XC to deliver more open like sonic advantages?!
post #543 of 820

These are only brief meet impressions.  Wait until after RMAF when people start getting long, opportune times to listen and compare.

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These are only brief meet impressions.  Wait until after RMAF when people start getting long, opportune times to listen and compare.

+1

 

RMAF is pretty loud..

post #545 of 820
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

These are only brief meet impressions.  Wait until after RMAF when people start getting long, opportune times to listen and compare.

 

 

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+1

 

RMAF is pretty loud..

 

 

True enough!

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Yes; the word is they don't isolate very well unfortunately:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/685524/canjam-at-rmaf-october-2013-impressions-thread/15#post_9883736

 

Appreciate the reply.  Interesting indeed.

post #547 of 820

well one would guess the fostex t50rp driver would be a limit for alpha dog, at least the size... but are the alpha dog and the XC really that close in performance? um... interesting...

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well one would guess the fostex t50rp driver would be a limit for alpha dog, at least the size... but are the alpha dog and the XC really that close in performance? um... interesting...

keep in mind, there's more to sound than the driver. The housing for example makes a huge differance [as you've seen with the 3D printed AD houseing] not to mention I have no idea just how much Dan has modded that T50 RP driver, anything from Voice Coil upgrades, to dampening would make a differance to.

 

Still I to would like to hear a review of the XC outside of the noisy Can Jam setting 

post #549 of 820

I think if he were to replace the 'voice coil' of a planar magnetic diaphragm, then he might as well be making his own drivers, haha.

post #550 of 820

good info,And powered by the ALO Rx stack, should have all the power one needs.thanks

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post #551 of 820
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

keep in mind, there's more to sound than the driver. The housing for example makes a huge differance [as you've seen with the 3D printed AD houseing] not to mention I have no idea just how much Dan has modded that T50 RP driver, anything from Voice Coil upgrades, to dampening would make a differance to.

 

Still I to would like to hear a review of the XC outside of the noisy Can Jam setting 

There are no voice coils in planar magnetic driver assemblies, only extremely thin / delicate elastic membranes that have equally delicate metallic tracings adhered onto them during initial production. These tracing-bound membranes are too delicate to be reworked.

post #552 of 820

Wrong thread.

post #553 of 820

I absolutely agree that full reviews outside of CanJam need to be considered before anyone can really say how close the XC is to the AD. But here are some thoughts as to how they could be close in sound despite the price difference.  Just something to contemplate:

 

Audeze has money and spends money.  What I mean is they have a staff.  They have a marketing budget.  They arrive to shows like this with 4 or more reps on the payroll, plus plenty of SWAG to give away (shirts, CD's, pens etc. with their name on it).

 

Conversely, Dan is pretty much Mr. Speakers. I know he has a little help, but he is an electrical engineer, he's doing the modding, he's a one-man show at CanJam etc. It's more one man's labor of love.

 

Secondly, Audeze has engineers that they pay, AFAIK, to develop their products.

 

Conversely, Dan is taking something that Fostex spent the money to engineer and is modifying it.

 

Third, Audeze spends a pretty penny on materials.  This gets factored into the price.

 

Conversely, the AD, while certainly nice, is not using the crafted wood finishes etc. that can drive up cost.

 

So, these are just some points as to how a $600 headphone could be sonically close to an $1800 set.  Audeze has a lot of costs that need to be covered that Dan doesn't.  I am absolutely not saying that the AD is a "better" headphone, just making a few points on costs/pricing.

post #554 of 820
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post
 

I absolutely agree that full reviews outside of CanJam need to be considered before anyone can really say how close the XC is to the AD. But here are some thoughts as to how they could be close in sound despite the price difference.  Just something to contemplate:

 

Audeze has money and spends money.  What I mean is they have a staff.  They have a marketing budget.  They arrive to shows like this with 4 or more reps on the payroll, plus plenty of SWAG to give away (shirts, CD's, pens etc. with their name on it).

 

Conversely, Dan is pretty much Mr. Speakers. I know he has a little help, but he is an electrical engineer, he's doing the modding, he's a one-man show at CanJam etc. It's more one man's labor of love.

 

Secondly, Audeze has engineers that they pay, AFAIK, to develop their products.

 

Conversely, Dan is taking something that Fostex spent the money to engineer and is modifying it.

 

Third, Audeze spends a pretty penny on materials.  This gets factored into the price.

 

Conversely, the AD, while certainly nice, is not using the crafted wood finishes etc. that can drive up cost.

 

So, these are just some points as to how a $600 headphone could be sonically close to an $1800 set.  Audeze has a lot of costs that need to be covered that Dan doesn't.  I am absolutely not saying that the AD is a "better" headphone, just making a few points on costs/pricing.

Good point

 

ANd long Story Short, Dan's a pretty stellar guy with an awesome product! And I still need a wooden back upgrade for my w1000x q.q, the XC might be that upgrade but >.> maybe not 

post #555 of 820

Got reply from Audeze support,

 

They currently do not offer the option of selling different wood style cups. However, in the future, their customers (I think those users buy LCD-XC) may be able to purchase them separately.


Edited by Sopp - 10/14/13 at 1:30pm
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