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Will the SRH1840 be good for metal and rock + gaming?

post #1 of 21
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I've done some research, and I think the SRH1840 will be a great match for me. A lot of people will say otherwise and they are usually said to be avoided for rock and metal, but I'll explain why. I also want to point out that I will be using these for gaming a lot, so these being good for gaming is very important. I want a big soundstage for imaging and powerful bass to make for a fun experience (lots of bass will give emphasis to explosions and such). While the LCD-2 will have an excellent bass for gaming, it's soundstage is said to be poor which is a problem for me.

 

First off, these are said to lack bass which is one of the reasons they are not recommended for rock/metal, however, there is a mod which improves the bass (along with better imaging, timbre, and balance) by a lot, and if done properly, it won't bleed into the mids. It isn't permanent so I can just mod it again if the bass is too much. It's mids are said to be great, and even comparible with planar mids. It's treble is said to be very detailed and airy and it's soundstage is said to be great.

 

To sum it all up:

 

-powerful bass

-excellent mids (Good for guitars and vocals)

-detailed and airy treble

-Great soundstage

 

What more could I possibly want for rock/metal + gaming? What are your thoughts? Please feel free to suggest a headphone that be even better in case there is one. My budget is 1000 dollars.

post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

First off, these are said to lack bass which is one of the reasons they are not recommended for rock/metal, however, there is a mod which improves the bass (along with better imaging, timbre, and balance) by a lot, and if done properly, it won't bleed into the mids. It isn't permanent so I can just mod it again if the bass is too much. It's mids are said to be great, and even comparible with planar mids. It's treble is said to be very detailed and airy and it's soundstage is said to be great.

 

You mean the mod that consists in increasing the depth of ear pad ?

I've done this with the srh940 , and this works great.
 

I got the feeling from feedback that the srh1840 are not exactly flawless, and I'd think that would be a bit hard to spend 700$ on them.

post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 

You mean the mod that consists in increasing the depth of ear pad ?

I've done this with the srh940 , and this works great.
 

I got the feeling from feedback that the srh1840 are not exactly flawless, and I'd think that would be a bit hard to spend 700$ on them.

yeah, that's the mod.

 

Could you point out the main flaws you read about the SRH1840? I'm also considering the HE-500 which is actually considered a bang for the buck at 700.

post #4 of 21

700 bucks and a bunch of mods to sound decent, not shure if want. 

 

Powerful bass and great soundstage rarely ever go together I'm afraid. How about the HE-500 or D600? HD 650 is too slow for metal so that's a no. 

 

It also depends what kind of gaming you do. Casual gaming/RTS favors bass with explosions, while competitive FPS needs good treble and soundstage for the footsteps. 

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700 bucks and a bunch of mods to sound decent, not shure if want. 

 

Powerful bass and great soundstage rarely ever go together I'm afraid. How about the HE-500 or D600? HD 650 is too slow for metal so that's a no. 

 

It also depends what kind of gaming you do. Casual gaming/RTS favors bass with explosions, while competitive FPS needs good treble and soundstage for the footsteps. 

Im a bit worried that it will sound boring, just like the HD650, maybe it won't be fat enough for rock. I just remembered that the SRH1840 is said to be very laid back, because of that it might not be fast enough. The HE-500 and the LCD-2 are on my radar right now. 

 

As for gaming, I'm in for mostly casual gaming so the greater bass impact might be the top priroty, but IMO, soundstage/imaging is also important for casual gaming because IMO it immerses you more into the game. But yeah, Bass > Soundstage in gaming for me.

post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 

You mean the mod that consists in increasing the depth of ear pad ?

I've done this with the srh940 , and this works great.
 

I got the feeling from feedback that the srh1840 are not exactly flawless, and I'd think that would be a bit hard to spend 700$ on them.

 

I find $700 considerably reasonable, seeing how I actually prefer the SRH-1840 over the Sennheiser HD700 in almost every aspect, minus soundstage. Of course it's quite the chunk of money, but $700 is reasonable considering how well it performs up to my standards. The 1840s have glorious, wonderful mids. The 1840s REALLY bring forth incredible singers and instruments. The Bass is on the light side, even lighter than the 940 from memory and soundstage isn't exactly comparable to the size and depth of the Q701 and HD800. I did find the soundstage to be more realistic with the HD700, and I think that and bass impact is the only things above the Shures.

 

And to OP: I don't recommend the 1840 for bass dependent songs. The HE-400/500 and LCD2 are much better alternatives.

post #7 of 21

I found the SRH1840 to be bass anemic. At first I thought it was a seal issue, so I went to try them again. While it didn't seem as anemic, the quantities were still quite low, around the K701's level, maybe a bit more. This isn't really a issue, unless you're a basshead. The issue was how technically mediocre everything sounded. I mean, here was a $700 headphone, that barely edged out, and on many fronts, actually lost, to the HD650s right besides them. Soundstage was slightly larger, but still nothing special. I prefer the tonality though.

 

Overall, they don't suck, but they're not exactly something to get excited about, and the $700 tag definitely needs to be lowered to something more competitive with similar performing headphones (the HE-500s are some of the only ones around that price range, and they stomp all over the Shure and then some). 

 

 

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Originally Posted by planx View Post
And to OP: I don't recommend the 1840 for bass dependent songs. The HE-400/500 and LCD2 are much better alternatives.

Gaming on the HE-400 is seriously fun. If you're a casual, OP, try them out. Won't be disappointed.

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

yeah, that's the mod.

 

Could you point out the main flaws you read about the SRH1840? I'm also considering the HE-500 which is actually considered a bang for the buck at 700.


The main flaw of srh1840 is distortion , if you look to THD measurements. Some claim to hear it , why other not.

Some "specialist" claim : that's "why they sound so lo-fi".

I'd think that  for pure enjoyment, you don't need to spend 1000$, anyway.

1000$ are for the nit-pickers.

 

The mod for the srh1840, won't transform your headphone in a bass champion; it might just sound more balanced.

I'm suspecting the mod  could add more distorsion, it just happens it is enjoyable .

post #9 of 21

i wouldn't buy a headphone planning to mod it before I even buy it based on a bunch of forum hearsay from a mixture of people who have and haven't actually owned/modded them. Unnecessary gamble.

 

One of those rare cases where maybe you've done too much research. Like extra said, the pre/post mod difference is probably very slight. Buy something you enjoy stock then consider mods later (unless it says fostex).


Edited by machoboy - 10/13/12 at 7:13am
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by machoboy View Post

i wouldn't buy a headphone planning to mod it before I even buy it based on a bunch of forum hearsay from a mixture of people who have and haven't .

Especially if it costs 700$. But I see some people modding the hd800...

 

@daniel521

It's hard to get "powerful bass" and "airy treble" at same time.

But you can get neither however . At the end , just save some money, and try to reach satisfaction.

 

If  all you are looking,  is for a "technical achievement", you might get a hd800, although the amount of bass won't satisfy the "bass heads" (off course, the quality is fine).

post #11 of 21
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Gaming on the HE-400 is seriously fun. If you're a casual, OP, try them out. Won't be disappointed.

Yeah, I'm a casual gamer. Do you think the HE-500 is also fun for gaming or is the bass lacking for casual gaming?

 

I had a question about the LCD-2 for everyone, I know that the huge bass of the LCD-2 will be great for solo casual gaming, but is the soundstage too minimal, even for casual gaming? Will it bother me?

 

For rock and metal, should I get the HE-400, HE-500, or the LCD-2? I heard great thing about all of them, but I ust don't know which one is better for rock/metal.

post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

Yeah, I'm a casual gamer. Do you think the HE-500 is also fun for gaming or is the bass lacking for casual gaming?

 

I had a question about the LCD-2 for everyone, I know that the huge bass of the LCD-2 will be great for solo casual gaming, but is the soundstage too minimal, even for casual gaming? Will it bother me?

 

For rock and metal, should I get the HE-400, HE-500, or the LCD-2? I heard great thing about all of them, but I ust don't know which one is better for rock/metal.

The bass on the HE-500 is a bit boomier and less tactile than the HE-400. Won't make too much of a difference in gaming. 

 

The LCD-2 has great front and rear positioning, good depth. It's just not very airy or wide. Fine for casual gaming, but the HE-400s would be better.

 

The HE-400s are a bit more dynamic for metal. It'll depend on the kind of rock/metal, to be honest.

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

The bass on the HE-500 is a bit boomier and less tactile than the HE-400. Won't make too much of a difference in gaming. 

 

The LCD-2 has great front and rear positioning, good depth. It's just not very airy or wide. Fine for casual gaming, but the HE-400s would be better.

 

The HE-400s are a bit more dynamic for metal. It'll depend on the kind of rock/metal, to be honest.

I listen to metallica, nirvana, green day, and ACDC mostly, if that helps. My guess is that the LCD-2 will be better with metallica because of its bass and juicy mids, and the HE500/HE400 will be better with nirvana, green day, and ACDC because IMO, these bands require an airy sound and more treble. Would you agree?


Edited by daniel521 - 10/13/12 at 6:23pm
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

I listen to metallica, nirvana, green day, and ACDC mostly, if that helps

The HE-400s are very slightly aggressive in dynamics and note presentation, but might not have the energy for brighter stuff. Darker stuff like Nirvana, Sonic Youth, anything grungy, drone, sounds great with them.

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

The HE-400s are very slightly aggressive in dynamics and note presentation, but might not have the energy for brighter stuff. Darker stuff like Nirvana, Sonic Youth, anything grungy, drone, sounds great with them.

The HE500 is brighter and more airy than the HE400, so do you think it will be better for brighter stuff? IMO metallica and nirvana are dark, ACDC and green day is bright.

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