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post #316 of 352

I guess....ALO is making new dac for themself without cypher labs...that's what I see in the future..

 

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post #317 of 352

One can surmise there was a falling out over one of two issues, Cypher Labs now additionally selling through Moon Audio, TTVJ, and Whiplash, or Cypher Labs now developing a "one case" combo of DAC and portable amp. That being said, the combo of ALO MKIIIB and Cypher-db is simply sublime. I at first tried to pair my Cypher-db with Ray Samuels SR71B and it just didn't work. I have now achieved audio nirvana:)

post #318 of 352

Mkiiib is little bright for my taste, I would choose sr71b with the balance cable.  It's little more neutral for me. 

Yes, MKIII has more power, I don't need power for now...

post #319 of 352
Ordered the R from Moon Audio. Can't wait for it's arrival.
post #320 of 352
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Originally Posted by raelamb View Post

One can surmise there was a falling out over one of two issues, Cypher Labs now additionally selling through Moon Audio, TTVJ, and Whiplash, or Cypher Labs now developing a "one case" combo of DAC and portable amp. That being said, the combo of ALO MKIIIB and Cypher-db is simply sublime. I at first tried to pair my Cypher-db with Ray Samuels SR71B and it just didn't work. I have now achieved audio nirvana:)


Cypher Labs is developing a DAC/amp combo? How come I never hear about these things? Did they make an announcement on this product or was it news from the grapevine?

post #321 of 352

When I used my SR71B with the original CLAS, single in, headphones balanced out, it sounded fantastic. High gain with my Ultrasone PRO's, low gain with my JH-16's, never a problem. When I got the Cypher-db with it's lower gain out and went fully balanced it all just went to s**t. There just wasn't enough power in the SR71B to push my nominally power needy Sig PRO's regardless of volume level. The bass and mids distorted. Not a ton but trust me just enough to annoy me particularly on my beloved 70's Rock. For some reason on low or medium gain my JH-16's just sounded awful. Might of well been using Apple earbuds. I have always been a fan of the Ray Samuels house sound going from the Tomahawk to the Shadow to the Protector then finally to the SR71B. Maybe the Intruder would do the trick but since I didn't need the DAC I figured I would try the ALO MKIIIB and I must say I'm happy I did. Maybe it's because all my files are ALAC but I have no problem with a shrill or bright high end. I experience it as "airy" and "open". I am in Aural Heaven:)

post #322 of 352
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When I used my SR71B with the original CLAS, single in, headphones balanced out, it sounded fantastic. High gain with my Ultrasone PRO's, low gain with my JH-16's, never a problem. When I got the Cypher-db with it's lower gain out and went fully balanced it all just went to s**t. There just wasn't enough power in the SR71B to push my nominally power needy Sig PRO's regardless of volume level. The bass and mids distorted. Not a ton but trust me just enough to annoy me particularly on my beloved 70's Rock. For some reason on low or medium gain my JH-16's just sounded awful. Might of well been using Apple earbuds. I have always been a fan of the Ray Samuels house sound going from the Tomahawk to the Shadow to the Protector then finally to the SR71B. Maybe the Intruder would do the trick but since I didn't need the DAC I figured I would try the ALO MKIIIB and I must say I'm happy I did. Maybe it's because all my files are ALAC but I have no problem with a shrill or bright high end. I experience it as "airy" and "open". I am in Aural Heaven:)

 

Wow, your experience is the direct opposite of mine. I've never been happy with my SR-71b in the past. And I read reports that it shone in balanced - so I got balanced cables for my IEMs and the SR-71b still wasn't satisfying.

It was only when I got the CLAS -dB and had balanced backend ICs did the SR-71b start to prove it's worth. At that point it didn't matter if the ear/headphone end was balanced or not, I found the backend balanced IC to have are more substantial improvement than the earphone end.

 

This is on low gain - tested with balanced & SE FitEar TG!334 & Unique Melody Merlins/SE530x8 IEMs, and Fostex TH-900 single ended.

 

P.S. is your CLAS -dB the "fixed" version? I assume you're aware there was a recall on CLAS -dB due to their balance was out of phase. If you had the initial CLAS -dB with the out-of-phase issue, it wouldn't surprise me about your problem then.

post #323 of 352
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Originally Posted by raelamb View Post

One can surmise there was a falling out over one of two issues, Cypher Labs now additionally selling through Moon Audio, TTVJ, and Whiplash, or Cypher Labs now developing a "one case" combo of DAC and portable amp. That being said, the combo of ALO MKIIIB and Cypher-db is simply sublime. I at first tried to pair my Cypher-db with Ray Samuels SR71B and it just didn't work. I have now achieved audio nirvana:)


Cypher Labs is developing a DAC/amp combo? How come I never hear about these things? Did they make an announcement on this product or was it news from the grapevine?

 

No, he's guessing the reason why ALO and Cypher labs stopped partnering. smile.gif

post #324 of 352

This is a bizarre turn of events, since ALO (i.e. Ken) and CL have been such close partners starting with the development of the original CLAS.  ALO was even handling the exchanges of the defective -dBs.  Now we have to be concerned about what level of support ALO and CL will be able to provide to their customers for the -dB and -R, since ALO has basically been the only point of contact for CL.

 

I find the lack of communication about this a bit troubling too.  Would it be that difficult or problematic for ALO to put a statement on their website explaining that they won't be carrying CL products anymore?  I would even be happy with a sanitized explanation, something like "for business reasons we have decided to let other distributors carry CL products, but we will continue to provide support for any customers who bought CL products from us."  ALO and CL weren't exactly forthcoming on their websites about the out-of-phase defect, either.

post #325 of 352

Yes Anak. My -db is the fixed version. The 1st version was a non-starter lol.

post #326 of 352
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Yes Anak. My -db is the fixed version. The 1st version was a non-starter lol.

 

Hmmm...that's really weird why your experience of the SR-71b is different from mine. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the Rx Mk3 but just surprising that your SR-71b of balanced vs SE is completely opposite of mine. Hope it's not that you didn't forget to switch the SE <-> Balanced at the back of the SR-71b 'cos unlike the Rx Mk3, the SR-71b will still continue to output if the switch was in SE mode even though you have balanced connected.

 

Edit: sorry, didn't mean to imply anything but just covering all bases.

post #327 of 352
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This is a bizarre turn of events, since ALO (i.e. Ken) and CL have been such close partners starting with the development of the original CLAS.  ALO was even handling the exchanges of the defective -dBs.  Now we have to be concerned about what level of support ALO and CL will be able to provide to their customers for the -dB and -R, since ALO has basically been the only point of contact for CL.

 

I find the lack of communication about this a bit troubling too.  Would it be that difficult or problematic for ALO to put a statement on their website explaining that they won't be carrying CL products anymore?  I would even be happy with a sanitized explanation, something like "for business reasons we have decided to let other distributors carry CL products, but we will continue to provide support for any customers who bought CL products from us."  ALO and CL weren't exactly forthcoming on their websites about the out-of-phase defect, either.

Your thoughts make a lot of sense. It makes good business sense to keep your customers informed and not let the rumors fly. I'm sure most buyers will think twice about spending our hard earned money with companies that treat us like mushrooms. Because, unlike mushrooms, we do not do well in the dark.

post #328 of 352

What I found weird about it all was one day the CLAS page is there and the very next day it's completely gone without a single comment as to why. Even some of the interconnect bundles for the CLAS has been reworded so as not to mention the CLAS. The CLAS aside what worries me more is whats the future plan for the RX amp? Since the MKII was first introduced it's been marketed as the perfect fit for the CLAS. Now that the CLAS is no longer an ALO supported product does that also mean any future RX models will be vastly different in sound and form factor? To many questions and no answers. I wish Ken would post something so that we know whats going on.

post #329 of 352

I think the point is, there is nothing "going on" any longer between the two companies. Maybe Ken hasn't posted anything because there is nothing to post, or nothing he wants to post? I don't think speculating about the reasons for this is a good idea. It's unfair to try and force them to drag out the reasons for the split. Regardless, there's nothing stopping any of us buying the RX3 and CLAS db separately and using them together.

 

I've been long contemplating whether or not to go go the full balanced portable route for travel with the CLAS and RX3. I borrowed Anakchan's rig and was impressed with it driving the LCD-3s. The CLAS (not db) wasn't far off the performance of my main DAC at the time (though a recent upgrade has widened the gap). Especially now the db can be used with a computer it is far more attractive to me since all my music is on my computer and when I travel I take a computer with me.

 

What I'm curious about is whether the db is fully balanced internally or whether the balanced output is derived from the SE output.

post #330 of 352

Bummer,

 

I was saving up for one of ALO's combo platters.  Now I'll have to spend more, for the same thing...

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