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post #166 of 352

and does anyone know if the new CLAS has an extra battery post in it, like the first one does, if so then just add an extra battery to it and you will have the best of both worlds with the new one! my only grip with the old one is with my iPod Classics battery, it's older, and the fact that it uses more power from bypassing the iPods DAC, gotta love the CLAS!

 

pics of the older CLAS, adding an extra battery is the schit! never runs out on me, probably could get close to 30 hours of use to the CLAS now, would be nice to share some of that juice with my iPod, which only gets around 8 or so hours out of it? so will probably upgrade to the -R when it is available, here's where I got the extra battery http://www.mouser.com/Product Detail/ Ultralife/UBBP01/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsG1k5vdNM%2FczyjOq%252bW10wD

 

 

700

 

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Edited by ANDEROAN - 11/3/12 at 7:38am
post #167 of 352
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

Hi Rudi,

 

I'm actually holding back SQ comparisons until the issue is resolved. I feel commenting on it's SQ now wouldn't be a true reflection on the product's capability.

 

Rudi, I'm doing some testing after a temporary post remediation at the moment (yep a solution is in the works, but I'll leave it up to Ken/ALO or David/CyperLabs for this) and there are differences in single ended and balanced. Speaking specifically about the presentation, the soundstage and probably more prominently the 3D imaging is noticeable. It's not a complete night 'n day difference but it's obvious enough (with my FitEar TG!334 at least).

 

However, to ensure that it's not "placebo" I intend to get a 2nd & 3rd pair of ears over the the next few days to test my temporarily fixed CLAS -dB for this balanced vs single ended difference. If the result is positive, I'll actually be pleasantly surprised 'cos this could potentially prove wrong the general belief is that small setups don't benefit from balanced. But again, it's pertinent to wait till I get confirmation from independent test listeners.

 

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Originally Posted by dan_can View Post


So in other words, you can never get 14 hrs out of it since it keeps charging iDevices. What's the point to keep iDevices charged? I want the DAC to last as long as possible. I'd prefer no charging at all.
 

 

Originally Posted by sluker View Post
 

Then you should hurry and get the current model.

 

For me though the charging feature is the #1 reason to upgrade.

 

dan_can: Incorrect. That is up to 14 hrs is with a fully charged iPhone. i.e. during that 14 hrs, it's keeping the iPhone 100% (i.e. it's still trickle charging), and powering up the DAC simultaneously. If it wasn't trickle charging, it will be more than 14 hrs.

 

sulker: Precisely, I've used other iDevices that does charging however their duration is very short and once the battery runs out of juice, I can't use the DAC/Amp at all - so I usually use those devices in DAC/Amp only (i.e. draining my iPhone battery). So having a DAC that charge the iPhone properly and fully, and still leave a few hours for listening to music is quite welcoming for me. And if I plan and time it well, I could start a flight with a fully charged iPhone, come out after a 14 hr flight and still have my phone fully charged ready for use at the destination.

 

So, cyberalpha11, following up on sulker's comment, if you want to buy the old CLAS, I'm happy to sell mine to you ;-).

 

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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

No, the iDevice determines it's own charging. You can leave an iPhone plugged in all night every night, I do.

 

People who are complaining about the charging feature need to do some reading. It was the biggest issue with the original CLAS. If you put an iDevice in USB communication mode without USB power, you burn out the battery.

 

+1

post #168 of 352
And if you do decide to go for Anak's old one your not getting a pig in a poke.. The old CLAS' stil has wonderful sound quality and musicality, truthfully you can't go wrong with any of their products.
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

No, the iDevice determines it's own charging. You can leave an iPhone plugged in all night every night, I do.

 

People who are complaining about the charging feature need to do some reading. It was the biggest issue with the original CLAS. If you put an iDevice in USB communication mode without USB power, you burn out the battery.------

 

 

 

What is available out there that will charge an IDevice ie an IPAD that will charge it while in USB communication mode at the same time besides the new CLAS-db?

 

Thanks....

 

jack


Edited by jackiedh - 11/3/12 at 10:07am
post #170 of 352
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

And if you do decide to go for Anak's old one your not getting a pig in a poke.. The old CLAS' stil has wonderful sound quality and musicality, truthfully you can't go wrong with any of their products.

 

You're not wrong there. I'm doing a flip back 'n forth between the CLAS v1.0 Single Ended with the new CLAS -dB Balanced and CLAS v1.0 is holding up itself pretty well. They're actually more similar than different. Balanced vs SE differences aside, I think what I'm hearing between these two is more the Wolfson signature against the AKM signature.

 

At least in my limited experience in AKM DACs (AKM AK4353, AK 4399, and now AK4396) they seem to lean towards a mellow/refined presentation whereas the Wolfson seems to be more bang-smack impact. So depends on your preference  IMHO.

post #171 of 352
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

Incidentally, people should be careful about misquoting Apple recommendations. One should ideally charge the iDevice when it hits 20% rather then let it go down further. It is not an Apple recommendation that you wait until 20% to charge. Li-Ion batteries do not have a memory effect.

 

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Good point!

 

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post #172 of 352
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

...If you put an iDevice in USB communication mode without USB power, you burn out the battery.

 

I feel that I should clarify my less than elegant wording. ("Burn out the battery" is a bit too dramatic.) It would have been better to say:

 

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If you put an iDevice in USB communication mode without USB power, you discharge the battery quickly.

 

Bottom line: the charging feature on the new CLAS models is a desirable improvement.

post #173 of 352
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

I feel that I should clarify my less than elegant wording. ("Burn out the battery" is a bit too dramatic.) It would have been better to say:

 

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If you put an iDevice in USB communication mode without USB power, you discharge the battery quickly.

Bottom line: the charging feature on the new CLAS models is a desirable improvement.

 

Better Stated Thanks----but still what is available out there that will charge an IDevice ie an IPAD that will charge it while in USB communication mode at the same time besides the new CLAS-db?

 

Thanks....

 

jack


Edited by jackiedh - 11/3/12 at 10:54am
post #174 of 352
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Originally Posted by jackiedh View Post

Better Stated Thanks----but still what is available out there that will charge an IDevice ie an IPAD that will charge it while in USB communication mode at the same time besides the new CLAS-db?

 

Thanks....

 

jack

 

VentureCraft Go-DAP DD Socket 1 & Go-DAP X. However charging is partial, i.e. the DAC/Amp will run out of juice before the iDevice gets charged fully.

post #175 of 352

Actually what I am looking for is an alternative to the CCK-that will allow charging of an IPAD while also pulling out the USB Audio to my USB DAC(SCHITT GUNGIR) at the same time--I don't need a powered USB Hub in my case, as the CCK USB out to my GUNGIR works fine with the exception of the ability to charge the IPAD at the same time...

 

Jack

post #176 of 352
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Originally Posted by jackiedh View Post

Actually what I am looking for is an alternative to the CCK-that will allow charging of an IPAD while also pulling out the USB Audio to my USB DAC(SCHITT GUNGIR) at the same time--I don't need a powered USB Hub in my case, as the CCK USB out to my GUNGIR works fine with the exception of the ability to charge the IPAD at the same time...

 

Jack

 

Well this thread is pretty much specific to CypherLab's product. You may want to ask your question on this other thread instead.

post #177 of 352

You might want to check out the iStreamer. It does what you're talking about but it's hardly in the portable category like the CLAS and it needs to be plugged into the power outlet. 

post #178 of 352

jackiedh, FYI I seriously doubt that that the new CLAS models charge the iPad anyway. My reasoning is this:

- under Apple rules, if the CLAS (i) officially supports the iPad, and (ii) charges the iPod/iPhone, it is required also to charge the iPad

- this was why the original CLAS was designed not to charge iPods/iPhones: it would have run down its battery also to charge the iPad. The iPad draws a lot of current with a huge battery of its own

- the new CLAS models do not officially support the iPad - although I am 99% certain that they will work fine with them

- this allows Cypher Labs to stay within Apple rules, enabling charging for iPods and iPhones while leaving it off for iPads.

 

Perhaps someone can try the new CLAS with an iPad and test this.

post #179 of 352

Anakchan: You should try volume matching between the SE and balanced, as the latter will likely output a higher voltage and the volume will be louder.  The main difference, I imagine, when using the balanced output is that the signal doesn't have to go through the phase splitter in the RX3.

 

Ken: Good on you guys for moving to sort out the issue quickly. smile.gif

post #180 of 352
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

jackiedh, FYI I seriously doubt that that the new CLAS models charge the iPad anyway. My reasoning is this:

- under Apple rules, if the CLAS (i) officially supports the iPad, and (ii) charges the iPod/iPhone, it is required also to charge the iPad

- this was why the original CLAS was designed not to charge iPods/iPhones: it would have run down its battery also to charge the iPad. The iPad draws a lot of current with a huge battery of its own

- the new CLAS models do not officially support the iPad - although I am 99% certain that they will work fine with them

- this allows Cypher Labs to stay within Apple rules, enabling charging for iPods and iPhones while leaving it off for iPads.

 

Perhaps someone can try the new CLAS with an iPad and test this.

 

OK. Let me drain my iPad battery first & try that today.

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