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post #136 of 215
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Originally Posted by Snag1e View Post

I have owned several amps, and have listened to many headphones amped and unamped... I agree...amping makes a huge difference for some headphones... some headphones really don't benefit from it at all either... although...depending on the output impedance of the source, many headphones can benefit from an amp, even if they don't need the extra power... So...it really depends on several things...


it's just more often than not in low-end iems they don't BENEFIT much from amping.

post #137 of 215
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I understand guys. well thanks again! Gnite!

post #138 of 215
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Ordered some goodies guys... Got this amp. *Suits up in anti-flame suit*, also got the below stuff from Monoprice:

 

 


Edited by EliteGeek91 - 10/8/12 at 12:03am
post #139 of 215
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Originally Posted by EliteGeek91 View Post

Ordered some goodies guys... Got this amp. *Suits up in anti-flame suit*, also got the below stuff from Monoprice:

 

 

Man.. you could've spent like 240$ and get my pico slim which is amazing.

post #140 of 215
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Thanks but don't need it. I will either keep this stuff, OR cancel the order and just TF10's.. so confusing
post #141 of 215
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I just read too many TF10 horror stories earlier. So many say they go out after a few months. Called a friend who owned a pair and said one channel went out in his after 4 months.. I might be better off spending my money on Mono, then buying some 701's later on just for the house.

That amp would go good with 701's right?
post #142 of 215
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Originally Posted by EliteGeek91 View Post

I just read too many TF10 horror stories earlier. So many say they go out after a few months. Called a friend who owned a pair and said one channel went out in his after 4 months.. I might be better off spending my money on Mono, then buying some 701's later on just for the house.
That amp would go good with 701's right?

odd, I've had the TF10 for a while it never went out. Funny

 

And what amp are you speaking of the altoids one?

post #143 of 215
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Yes that one. Got it direct for $59.
post #144 of 215
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Originally Posted by EliteGeek91 View Post

Yes that one. Got it direct for $59.


K701 requires hectic amping and source. You can't drive it properly with that kind of amping unfortunately. The minimal I'd amp it with would probably be the fiio e9

 

and I don't like opamps

 

An old common setup was a fiio e9 + hrt music streamer II cheapest one that could barely reach entry-level listening imo.

 

Also, down the road I'd rather have one good headphone over a bunch of crappy ones. That's like saying would you rather have 10 100$ headphones or a 1 hell of a high-end 1k headphone


Edited by azynneo - 10/8/12 at 12:46am
post #145 of 215
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Gotcha thanks.
post #146 of 215
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Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post

The K/Q 701s have just as peaky of a treble as the Ultrasones do. And realistic bass confused_face_2.gif ?

 

" but the only genres they don't do well are bass heavy genres that rely on the beat (i.e. genres that most audiophiles don't listen to.) "

 

They actually don't reproduce bass well period, regardless of genre. And I like that assumption at the end... I've seen too many people spend hundreds of dollars solely for their EDM and dubstep music. 

 

Ew.. it's the K701 hater again. Audiophile = person concerned/obsessed with sound quality. Idiot consumer = person who spends hundreds of dollars on headphones *cough* beats *cough* to listen to dubsteb. Big difference. Now I fail to see why people need hundreds of dollars of distortion free hi-fi headphones to listen to distortion.

 

@TS... really... well you already bought the stuff, I can't stop you now... I really don't know WHY ON EARTH YOU BOUGHT AN AMP, and a somewhat weak one at that. There's no way you're going to power a K701 with that, and the monoprice headphones don't need an amp. The only amp under $150 which can power the K701 properly from my experience is the E9, Matrix M stage and O2 (my favorite and the one I'm using now.) Oh well, at least the monoprice headphones are great value for money. But why not skip the amp and get the much better sounding CAL! or ATH M50? or get the TF10 with a cable upgrade? From my experience TF10's don't break, it's the cable that breaks.


Edited by iamthem - 10/8/12 at 4:02am
post #147 of 215
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The K/Q 701s have just as peaky of a treble as the Ultrasones do. And realistic bass confused_face_2.gif ?

 

" but the only genres they don't do well are bass heavy genres that rely on the beat (i.e. genres that most audiophiles don't listen to.) "

 

They actually don't reproduce bass well period, regardless of genre. And I like that assumption at the end... I've seen too many people spend hundreds of dollars solely for their EDM and dubstep music. 

 

 

 

 

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Ew.. it's the K701 hater again. Audiophile = person concerned/obsessed with sound quality. Idiot consumer = person who spends hundreds of dollars on headphones *cough* beats *cough* to listen to dubsteb. Big difference. Now I fail to see why people need hundreds of dollars of distortion free hi-fi headphones to listen to distortion.

 

 

 

The treble of my K 702s couldn't be any more different from the treble of my Ultrasones. K 702 treble is bright in all the right places but relatively mild in the extreme upper frequencies. Ultrasone treble is all over the map with a huge spike in the upper mids and a huge spike at barely-audible high frequencies and a tinny/hollow valley in between. One is bright in a powerful, airy way, the other is bright in a brittle, metallic way (honestly the only other treble I've hated as much as the Ultrasones was Grado).

 

I would say the Ultrasone and AKG sound as far as two headphones can sound from one another. Of all the headphones I've owned they are the greatest representatives of extreme opposites, the Ultrasones sounding like an SPL car audio system with a row of 12" subs in the trunk and badly placed component tweeters, the AKGs sounding very "tubey" and at times letting you forget you have headphones on.

 

K 702s have by far the most realistic bass I've ever heard in a headphone also. Realistic bass means "sounds like an actual kick drum/bass guitar/distant explosiont". NOT like a subwoofer. That's something most people don't like, because most people are far more used to listening to music through thumpy mushy speakers than playing an acoustic instrument and it sounds "weird" to them. Beyerdynamic bass is mush to me. I couldn't get over how artificially smoothed out and monotone it was. If bass the foundation of music, then most headphones have a foundation made out of jello and olive oil due to the proximity effect. The K 70x foundation is made out of granite. It doesn't shake much, and whether that's a good or bad thing depends on the listener.

 

No doubt they don't suit dubstep/rap, and no offense to anyone into dubstep/rap, but I would rather have my eardrums removed than listen to that stuff, so that's where my K 702 romance comes from. For "random zany sound effect/screaming jock" youth music the K 701/702s absolutely suck but for organic reproduction of classical, vocal, acoustic, prog rock, ambient electronic or pretty much any pre-mid '90s genres (when bass lost all self control and "cool" rather than high quality audio brands took over) and a huge soundstage they are amazing.

 

I will add that I like the K 702s for trance, but trance is kind different from other electronica and focuses more on melody and harmony rather than huge digital sounds and ridiculous bass, so that's obviously why.


Edited by machoboy - 10/8/12 at 4:56am
post #148 of 215

As far as driving them, I agree that the K 701s/702s are taken to the "next level" and fully leverage their price tag with a good source and amplifier, but it really isn't mandatory. They're my favorite headphones with an amp and they're still my favorite headphones straight out of a PC soundcard (if I don't need high volume). Out of a phone, that I've never tried, but you probably shouldn't bother. One look/listen should tell you these are for deep eyes-closed midnight listening sessions, not the subway.

 

Or worded differently: They sound half as good with no amp, but 280/2 is still $140. Still very good, just not getting your money's worth.

 

The K 240s are more amp-dependent than the K 702s if anything. They go from pure mud to pleasantly vintage.


Edited by machoboy - 10/8/12 at 4:57am
post #149 of 215
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Ok, you got the 8320's, good choice.  But they are NOT for an airplane, sorry, because they are semi-open, so they let a lot of sound in, but little out  :(

post #150 of 215
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Thanks to you honest helpers. For the others, well it seems that some think we humans must ALL think alike, and agree on the exact headphone choices...

 

I'm still getting high-end IEM's. Which i guess will be TF10's.

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