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post #856 of 2415
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shure 530 an older but fairly well regarded iem ...as for recommendations ...I would do a diservice to try I haven't owned enough higher end iem I did enjoy and still enjoy my ddw2 good bottom good warm fun sounding plug its kind of a double dynamic like a woofer on top of a woofer search the forums and reviews until something catches your eye then research maybe audition a pair if possible or you may check headfi has a for sale forum as well good luck hope you find it ...cheers
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post #857 of 2415

What do I search for I cant find it.

post #858 of 2415
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What do I search for I cant find it.
Search for MG7
post #859 of 2415
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

How does the bass compare to the Atrio MG7 or Shure 215 or Yamaha EPH100 in terms of quantity of mid/sub bass and also quality?

I will refer you to the review of the MG7 on Joker's Multi IEM thread: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-278-iems-compared-astrotec-am-800-dx-60-added-03-31-13-p-659

 

He compares them to the GR07 MKI, which is still quite similar to the BE in terms of overall frequency response...just imagine a more natural, realistic type bass response. You can see they are quite similar here, so the comparison holds some weight:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/VSonicGR07.pdf & http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/VSonicGR07BassEdition.pdf

 

The BE is definitely on the warmer side of neutral in comparison with neutral mids and a slightly bright treble.  The MG7 is a bit warmer still with slightly recessed (but clear) mids and clear treble.  The MG7 has the best textured bass and sub-bass rumble I've heard in a universal IEM so far, but the BE isn't far behind in that regard, quite close actually - yet, it really shines in the other areas of the frequency range over the MG7.  Both have very controlled, deep extension that does not bleed into the lower mids but you might say it 'enhances' them (providing that warm tinged signature) - impact is similar, but at times I would give the nod to the BE.  The MG7 is all about extension and sub-bass - if your music preferences require the most and best sub-bass, look no further than the MG7.  

 

I owned both the MG7 and BE together, and choose the BE in the end for a few reasons: I enjoyed their overall presentation and signature more (personal preference I found, only after trying both...and the BE responded best to EQ), the fit and comfort was better (not a fan of deep insertion tips presently, and the BE works better for over ear), and they were most proficient for my music tastes (I listen to a very wide variety of genres and recording qualities).  I found the BE to be my perfect all-arounder...the MG7 wowed me at times, but the BE is my 'one universal IEM to rule them all'...for the time being, that is! cool.gif I found that no matter what I read though, it wasn't until I tried them side by side that I could truly decide - I had my MG7 first and was totally satisfied with them until I tried the BE.  So, the most common phrase at Head-Fi, YMMV, definitely applies here...if you can try both (or more), I would suggest that first.

 

Hope that helps a little!


Edited by modulor - 4/19/13 at 10:21am
post #860 of 2415

Yeh thanks that was a balanced and useful reply! I got the MG7 a few days ago and the bass on them is just plain awesome.... I like the mids as well although I think they could be improved in this area a bit... The treble is actually really good as well but I don't think I would want anything brighter or peakier than the Mg7 though... Are the GR07 brighter / peakier than the MG7? I suppose you can always EQ.... But I have read a few comments about sibilance and treble peaks on the GR07 etc....

 

I think I might just keep the MG7 for a while until I get bored of them and then maybe try the GR07 BE.... I have a feeling I will be disappointed by the bass on the GR07 coming from these MG7... Also a bit worried the GR07 will be too bright as I don't like overly bright sounding headphones....


Edited by nicholars - 4/19/13 at 10:37am
post #861 of 2415
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Yeh thanks that was a balanced and useful reply! I got the MG7 a few days ago and the bass on them is just plain awesome.... I like the mids as well although I think they could be improved in this area a bit... The treble is actually really good as well but I don't think I would want anything brighter or peakier than the Mg7 though... Are the GR07 brighter / peakier than the MG7? I suppose you can always EQ.... But I have read a few comments about sibilance and treble peaks on the GR07 etc....

 

I think I might just keep the MG7 for a while until I get bored of them and then maybe try the GR07 BE.... I have a feeling I will be disappointed by the bass on the GR07 coming from these MG7... Also a bit worried the GR07 will be too bright as I don't like overly bright sounding headphones....

The GR07 variants are brighter in comparison, one thing I was concerned with as well...but I found it to not be as much a problem as it was made out to be in initial listening.  After some use the BE's upper range was tamed a bit overall but some modern recordings and poorer quality stuff has a tendency to be harsher (to be expected).  One song I've been using lately for testing treble harshness was quite intense the first listen or two with the BE, but it's pretty great now that I've been using them for some time (after burn-in and what-not).  The BE is definitely closer to neutral overall, but the MG7 has the tamer treble of the two, and is slightly more forgiving of recording quality because of this and it's warmer signature.  It is possible you could adapt to a brighter treble like I did - the ariness and resolution it provides I found overall preferable, but some of those harsh song's treble did sound better on the MG7 with no EQ.  I do use EQ regularly so this is a non issue for me now - if it sounds harsh or overly bright, I can make some adjustments.  I too thought I'd be disappointed with the bass on the BE coming from the MG7, but it wasn't so much the case after extended use.  Both are very good at bringing out the bass  when a song calls for it, and not when it doesn't.  If you are satisfied with the MG7 so far, I'd say stick with it for now and keep an eye out for a BE on sale down the road to try.

post #862 of 2415

I quite like the way bright treble sounds, its just that it physically hurts my ears, especially sibilance and any bright treble in the 4-9khz area will give me tinnitus and physically hurt my ears after listening for a few hours. I would also like the MG7 to have a bit bigger soundstage although I sort of like the way the MG7 present music because it is quite focused and sounds more exciting compared to some headphones which have a diffused "out of head" soundstage such as my Shure Se215.. It makes the SE215 sound a bit boring after listening to the MG7 for a bit. I don't find the isolation that great on the MG7 though... Is it better on the GR07? I was walking about earlier and I could hear much more outside noise than with the SE215.

 

The BE sounds like a better all rounder for more genres but the MG7 better for bass heavy genres such as electronic music and rap etc.... The MG7 are not so great for genres such as metal / rock though although they are not exactly bad... Just could be a bit better. Thanks anyway that was helpful, as opposed to comments like "THE GR07 BE DESTROY EVERY OTHER HEADPHONE" lol. Maybe I will just get both when I have some more cash.. and some IE80 as well darthsmile.gif


Edited by nicholars - 4/19/13 at 11:24am
post #863 of 2415
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I quite like the way bright treble sounds, its just that it physically hurts my ears, especially sibilance and any bright treble in the 4-9khz area will give me tinnitus and physically hurt my ears after listening for a few hours. I would also like the MG7 to have a bit bigger soundstage although I sort of like the way the MG7 present music because it is quite focused and sounds more exciting compared to some headphones which have a diffused "out of head" soundstage such as my Shure Se215.. It makes the SE215 sound a bit boring after listening to the MG7 for a bit. I don't find the isolation that great on the MG7 though... Is it better on the GR07? I was walking about earlier and I could hear much more outside noise than with the SE215.

 

The BE sounds like a better all rounder for more genres but the MG7 better for bass heavy genres such as electronic music and rap etc.... The MG7 are not so great for genres such as metal / rock though although they are not exactly bad... Just could be a bit better. Thanks anyway that was helpful, as opposed to comments like "THE GR07 BE DESTROY EVERY OTHER HEADPHONE" lol. Maybe I will just get both when I have some more cash.. and some IE80 as well darthsmile.gif

 

^ That sounds like the work of the head pusher of these things. Where that fool mochill at anyways??? biggrin.gif

post #864 of 2415

Isolation is decent, but I think it's better on the MG7 because of the deeper insertion (and more so if you use the foamies) but they are similar in that regard.  Microphonics are pretty much non-existent though...the cable is very nice!  Soundstage impression is still moderately sized, but wider and airier than the MG7.  After exclusively using the BE for the past 2 months, I think they are pretty stellar for rap/hip-hop and electronica...the speed, detail retrieval, imaging, and transient response is pretty fantastic, and the bass feels 'correct' on just about every song (for me, anyway, but I do have some EQ implemented).  I have to say how the MG7 were for metal and rock was the main reason I started looking into the GR07 variants in the first place, and they do not disappoint for those genres.

post #865 of 2415

I really don't know where this info is coming from. I owned the MG7 and GR07 MK1 at the same time. I found that the Atrio's bass was barely more than the GR07's. Where the GR07 pulled completely away was in the mids, treble and, most of all, soundstage.

 

The MG7's bass is good, don't get me wrong. However, the overall iem is a one trick pony. The mids and highs sound so subdued compared to the bass presentation, it's almost like they're being stifled. The soundstage is also the second smallest I've encountered in an iem (the first being the massively overrated Klipsch X10), leading to a simply weak sounding iem.

 

I think the reason it sounds like this is the nozzle. You have a large 10mm dynamic driver capable of putting out such bass, then you decide to put a Westone/Etymotic type nozzle on it. Sure, the bass is going to come through, but the rest of the frequencies, along with the staging, will be so constricted. 

 

If you want to somewhat simulate the sound of the MG7 using your GR07, use the smallest nozzle tip you can find (etymotic triple flanges, shure olives, atrio tips, etc) and you'l hear exactly what I mean.

post #866 of 2415

I own both the MG7 and the GR07BE, and while the Atrios certainly are excellent IEMs (particularly for bass and thick sounding stringed instruments), I find the BEs have far superior soundstage, airiness, overall frequency response, and fit/comfort.  I'm not saying I dont like the MG7s.  For bass layering and texture they may even slightly edge out the Vsonics.  They are, as someone mentioned in this thread, a little more forgiving of less than ideal recordings as well.  However, for overall sound, fit, build quality, 3D imaging, and the ability to work with almost any genre of music (particularly lossless or high bitrate lossy formats), I still prefer the BEs hands down.  I find that my ATH-CKS77s are a closer IEM to compare to the MG7s.  In fact, I think I prefer those over my Atrios as well.  Bottom line is, I still think the GR07BEs are one of the most underrated IEMs out there, to the point that I'm an IEM addict, and I haven't bought a new set since receiving my Vsonics a few months ago.

post #867 of 2415
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I really don't know where this info is coming from. I owned the MG7 and GR07 MK1 at the same time. I found that the Atrio's bass was barely more than the GR07's. Where the GR07 pulled completely away was in the mids, treble and, most of all, soundstage.

 

The MG7's bass is good, don't get me wrong. However, the overall iem is a one trick pony. The mids and highs sound so subdued compared to the bass presentation, it's almost like they're being stifled. The soundstage is also the second smallest I've encountered in an iem (the first being the massively overrated Klipsch X10), leading to a simply weak sounding iem.

 

I think the reason it sounds like this is the nozzle. You have a large 10mm dynamic driver capable of putting out such bass, then you decide to put a Westone/Etymotic type nozzle on it. Sure, the bass is going to come through, but the rest of the frequencies, along with the staging, will be so constricted. 

 

If you want to somewhat simulate the sound of the MG7 using your GR07, use the smallest nozzle tip you can find (etymotic triple flanges, shure olives, atrio tips, etc) and you'l hear exactly what I mean.

 

I found the soundstage was small with the default tips but with the Shure grey flex sleeves it is ok... Not exactly big but I quite like the presentation with the Shure grey flex tips... Didn't really like any of the default options though. The Shure flex tips make the MG7 sound flatter / more balanced and bigger soundstage instead of just basically bass and treble which is what they sound like with the foams...

 

Also I bought the Mg7 for under £70 whereas the GR07 BE cost £120 so I am pretty pleased with them overall... When I have some more money I think I might give the GR07 BE a try or maybe just go for the Sennheiser IE80... Anyone compared the GR07 BE with the ie80?


Edited by nicholars - 4/19/13 at 12:59pm
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Oh, and eke2k6, I completely agree with your assessment in your last post.  I have tried wider bore tips on my Atrios, but because they have that super slim nozzle, it didn't really change much.  It's a shame because I think the driver has a lot of potential.  They would probably be a great driver to reshell.  If the atrio driver could be used in a multi driver setup, they would be perfect for handling the low-end frequencies while some other driver(s) (perhaps a BA or 2 in a hybrid setup) handled the mids and highs.  

post #869 of 2415
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Originally Posted by Gorktastick View Post

I own both the MG7 and the GR07BE, and while the Atrios certainly are excellent IEMs (particularly for bass and thick sounding stringed instruments), I find the BEs have far superior soundstage, airiness, overall frequency response, and fit/comfort.  I'm not saying I dont like the MG7s.  For bass layering and texture they may even slightly edge out the Vsonics.  They are, as someone mentioned in this thread, a little more forgiving of less than ideal recordings as well.  However, for overall sound, fit, build quality, 3D imaging, and the ability to work with almost any genre of music (particularly lossless or high bitrate lossy formats), I still prefer the BEs hands down.  I find that my ATH-CKS77s are a closer IEM to compare to the MG7s.  In fact, I think I prefer those over my Atrios as well.  Bottom line is, I still think the GR07BEs are one of the most underrated IEMs out there, to the point that I'm an IEM addict, and I haven't bought a new set since receiving my Vsonics a few months ago.

 

Underrated? lol... They come across to me as one of the most hyped up headphones on head-fi.... Not saying they dont deserve it because I have not tried them, but definately they have a lot of hype on these forums.

post #870 of 2415
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Originally Posted by Gorktastick View Post

Oh, and eke2k6, I completely agree with your assessment in your last post.  I have tried wider bore tips on my Atrios, but because they have that super slim nozzle, it didn't really change much.  It's a shame because I think the driver has a lot of potential.  They would probably be a great driver to reshell.  If the atrio driver could be used in a multi driver setup, they would be perfect for handling the low-end frequencies while some other driver(s) (perhaps a BA or 2 in a hybrid setup) handled the mids and highs.  

 

I think future sonics have done this already in the mg5 and mg7? Not sure...

 

Try some Shure grey flex sleeves... I use the large size.... They do make the sound better I think... More neutral and a bigger soundstage.


Edited by nicholars - 4/19/13 at 12:58pm
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