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^ You know i have wanted to say something about this for a long minute, Jodiuh you need to seriously stop spreading dis/misinformation regarding these gr07 BEs. Amazon shipped you the BEs by mistake and you had them in your possessions for like a couple of days, a week or 2 max??? How long did you burn them in for???

I am not saying that your "impressions"/ opinions are not appreciated but you didn't even seem to have them long enough to truly tell what they sounded like, plus many others that have had/ own both which has done extensive a/b between the two editions say there is only small differences in the sonic presentation. The bass edition like dynsty25 stated only has slightly elevated sub/ mid bass response while the rest of the sonic spectrum is about the same in forwardness/ presentation as the MKIIs judging by all the impressions so far.

If you have a/b the two and have owned both for quite some time then you are more then welcome to post what you think, but your dislike/hate toward these BEs is more grounded in your frustration of amazon shipping you the wrong edition of the iem it seems.

/rant

This is the 1st time I've ever had to deal with a rude reply bro. Grats for being the first.

But hey, by all means, please tell me whether or not I'm allowed to post my impressions on YOUR forum.

And yup, you are correct. My dislike of the BEs has nothing to do with the sonics. In fact, I never even listened to them. I made it all up because Im just so very very mad @ Amazon.

TL;DR...I...me...Jodiuh personally feel as tho the mids get hidden on the BEs and the bass is overwhelming. So please stop trying to tell me you KNOW how my ears hear things...because...well, they're NOT your ears.

I hope this post helps you understand that its OK for everyone to have their own opinion...no matter how different it may be from yours.
post #1577 of 2271
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This is the 1st time I've ever had to deal with a rude reply bro. Grats for being the first.

But hey, by all means, please tell me whether or not I'm allowed to post my impressions on YOUR forum.

And yup, you are correct. My dislike of the BEs has nothing to do with the sonics. In fact, I never even listened to them. I made it all up because Im just so very very mad @ Amazon.


TL;DR...I...me...Jodiuh personally feel as tho the mids get hidden on the BEs and the bass is overwhelming. So please stop trying to tell me you KNOW how my ears hear things...because...well, they're NOT your ears.

I hope this post helps you understand that its OK for everyone to have their own opinion...no matter how different it may be from yours.

^ Glad we got that straight, no problem you are allowed to post now. Thanks for understanding. :ksc75smile:

 

All hail the godly BEs!!!

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Edited by Alberto01 - 10/6/13 at 9:41pm
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^ LoL??? :blink:

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Lol I think he was being sarcastic but still, I don't think the BEs mids as recessed as some say and are definitely not as bassy as some say either. Never heard the MKII but the BEs sound enjoyable to me.

The BEs NEED burn in like you wouldn't believe so don't post impressions before because they sound totally different after a fair amount of it (at least 100 hours, I heard changes up to 300 hours)
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^ LoL??? :blink:

 

This is what I meant to post on the "pending post" post:

 

Nice discussion, guys.  It makes the thread interesting.  HA, HA.

 

Let's settle the discussion with some data.  Here is a FR graph for the GR07 BE.  Below you will see the FR graph for the SONY NH1C, just as a reference.

 

 

 

SONY MH1C FR graph

 

If this test was run before burning in those drivers, it is easy to tell that after burn in, these earphones will NOT have a rest of the spectrum drowning type of bass if you use an equalizer.  This might even hold, without using an equalizer.  Also, bass does not drop sharply entering the deep bass range coming from the mid bass range.  So, it seems like deep bass presence would be significant on these, after burn in.  The mid range is smooth with no significant dips anywhere with a small peak at the high quality mids, which is around 1000 Hz.  The highs look good, too.  The first peak is between the harsh (3-5 kHz) treble and the sweet treble.  I don't know how good or bad that is, but it is not a very large peak.  The second peak is at the sweet treble range, right around 10 kHz.  That is a good one.

 

From this graph, I can see how these could sound boring to some ears and quite attractive to others.  I find them interesting and I would like to try them.


Edited by Alberto01 - 10/7/13 at 4:21pm
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This is what I meant to post on the "pending post" post:

 

Nice discussion, guys.  It makes the thread interesting.  HA, HA.

 

Let's settle the discussion with some data.  Here is a FR graph for the GR07 BE.

 

 

If these test was run before burning in those drivers, it is easy to tell that after burn in, these earphones will NOT have a rest of the spectrum drowning type of bass if you use an equalizer.  This might even hold, without using an equalizer.  Also, bass does not drop sharply entering the deep bass range coming from the mid bass range.  So, it seems like deep bass presence would be significant on these, after burn in.  The mid range is smooth with no significant dips anywhere with a small peak at the high quality mids, which is around 1000 Hz.  The highs look good, too.  The first peak is between the harsh (3-5 kHz) treble and the sweet treble.  I don't know how good or bad that is, but it is not a very large peak.  The second peak is at the sweet treble range, right around 10 kHz.  That is a good one.

 

From these graph, I can see how this could sound boring to some ears and quite attractive to others.  I find them interesting and I would like to try them.

 

Agreed - subjective levels of enjoyment depending on what the listener is looking for.  For me, moving from the BE to the RE-400 which is quite neutral overall, the BE had quite a bit more excitement in direct comparison.  Even side by side with an MKII, despite sounding incredibly similar and with equal technical ability, it's still a more engaging listen on most tracks.  However, some get excited by detail as well (i.e. most neutrality seekers) so that is where I became most comfortable with the RE-400...but that's just me and it's certainly no discredit to the GR07.  There are multiple ways to be immersed in your music, and I think any GR07 is going to be an excellent all-arounder, and certainly one of the best choices in it's price range.  I know it's not the last Vsonic I'll own, but I had to let it go as funds are tight getting my desktop setup pulled together.  If I were to return to the GR07, it would likely be through the MKII but I want to see how the new Vsonic IEMs fare over the next few months.

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 Sony XB90EX have 16mm driver, GR07 BE physically can not give strong sub bass.

^ You are correct, and i would say the sub bass on the BEs are satisfactory for even bass heads, but where these BEs excels over the Sonys is the bass texture. The texture of the gr07 BEs simply outclasses the Sonys. Those 90EXs are no joke as well, cuz they are truly an audiophile quality basshead iem, pretty well balanced across the sonic spectrum despite that crazy deep sub bass rumble.

 

 

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The gr07 BEs is like a flatter more polite version of the ATH CKS1Ks, nothing is recessed on the BEs as well and they are great texture to their bass, but it is just not as engaging/ aggressive in it's presentations as the FXZ200s or the CKS1000s. The BEs is bordering on a monitor type of sound but yet it manages to be fun/ engaging albeit less aggressive. Mids are lush/ forward and the treble is sparkly with great extension as well. It's the best choice if you are looking for something more balanced/ analytical but don't want to sacrifice any of your bass needs.

 

SO for me the best pick is undoubtedly the ATH CKS1Ks for the type of music you are looking for. But they have to go under a pretty extensive burn-in beat down process in order to truly tame their more aggressive treble.

 

"You are correct, and i would say the sub bass on the BEs are satisfactory for even bass heads, but where these BEs excels over the Sonys is the bass texture. The texture of the gr07 BEs simply outclasses the Sonys."

 

"Mids are lush/ forward and the treble is sparkly with great extension as well. It's the best choice if you are looking for something more balanced/ analytical but don't want to sacrifice any of your bass needs."

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Thank you for your reply, sfwalcer!  I had read your reviews and comparisons before.  They have been quite clear, coherent and very helpful at least to know what NOT to get.  From some of the stuff that you have written, you sound like you are 10% nuts. HA, HA.  But, not even a partial nut could write those remarkable reviews/comparisons.  Now, you just need to get saved through the way, the truth and the life.

 

From your words quoted above, the GR07 BE might be just what I need.  I need high quality bass that reaches very deep and has very good punch, with mids and highs just like in the Rock It Sounds R-50.  People, call the R-50 analytical, neutral, balanced and the like.  Above a minimum bass quantity, quality is all that matters to me in lows, mids and highs.  If deep and mid bass quantities on the GR07 BE are enough for me, then those are the right IEMs to get.  IEMs on steroids, have power, but unwelcome flaws such as big bellies (muddiness) and enlarged skulls and cheek bones (denatured highs).  With an amp and an equalizer, I can increase bass, mids or highs power as I want, without the steroids unwanted secondary effects.  I just need a good amount of deep and mid bass to work with.  Do the GR07 BE have it?

 

Jodiuh's posts have been helpful in the sense that if some people find that the GR07 BE have too much bass, then that could mean that their bass quantity could be enough for my "bass needs."


Edited by Alberto01 - 10/7/13 at 4:16pm
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Hey Jodiuh, I have found your posts helpful.  sfwalcer just gets emotionally involved with his audio gear.

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you have to drop all the advice and listen to yourself your palate will tell what to take.

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you have to drop all the advice and listen to yourself your palate will tell what to take.

 

You are right and that comes at a cost.  Listening to others does not cost much.  But, I will admit that buying headphones from what other people say is one of the toughest research projects I have ever encountered.  A>B>C and C>A happens too often in the process.

 

What is boring to you about the GR07 BE?

 

How is the soundstage on these?

 

A small or odd soundstage will make any headphones boring.

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each has its own unique palate, you must understand that you like, I do not want to impose any choice.


Edited by stimer - 10/7/13 at 4:23pm
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each has its own unique palate, you must understand that you like, I do not want to impose any choice.

 

You are totally right.  Still, our communication helps to reduce uncertainty and none of your posts have seemed imposing to me.

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Originally Posted by Jodiuh View Post

bes - recessed
mk2s - not recessed

 

Nope.

 

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In no way would I consider the mids recessed on the BEs. Not quite as prominent as the MK2s but that doesn't mean they are recessed. They add a touch of mid bass hump compared to the MK2 and that might not being them forward or anything but recessed is just wrong.

 

Yup.
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Originally Posted by Alberto01 View Post
 

 

 

 

"You are correct, and i would say the sub bass on the BEs are satisfactory for even bass heads, but where these BEs excels over the Sonys is the bass texture. The texture of the gr07 BEs simply outclasses the Sonys."

 

"Mids are lush/ forward and the treble is sparkly with great extension as well. It's the best choice if you are looking for something more balanced/ analytical but don't want to sacrifice any of your bass needs."

================================================================================

 

Thank you for your reply, sfwalcer!  I had read your reviews and comparisons before.  They have been quite clear, coherent and very helpful at least to know what NOT to get.  From some of the stuff that you have written, you sound like you are 10% nuts. HA, HA.  But, not even a partial nut could write those remarkable reviews/comparisons.  Now, you just need to get saved through the way, the truth and the life.

 

From your words quoted above, the GR07 BE might be just what I need.  I need high quality bass that reaches very deep and has very good punch, with mids and highs just like in the Rock It Sounds R-50.  People, call the R-50 analytical, neutral, balanced and the like.  Above a minimum bass quantity, quality is all that matters to me in lows, mids and highs.  If deep and mid bass quantities on the GR07 BE are enough for me, then those are the right IEMs to get.  IEMs on steroids, have power, but unwelcome flaws such as big bellies (muddiness) and enlarged skulls and cheek bones (denatured highs).  With an amp and an equalizer, I can increase bass, mids or highs power as I want, without the steroids unwanted secondary effects.  I just need a good amount of deep and mid bass to work with.  Do the GR07 BE have it?

 

Jodiuh's posts have been helpful in the sense that if some people find that the GR07 BE have too much bass, then that could mean that their bass quantity could be enough for my "bass needs."

^ no my inter-web friend i am 99% nuts and it's that last remaining 1% that is keeping me sane enough to write those mess of impressions. Hope i didn't get this place too dirty with my ish. :veryevil:

 

Not sure about how well these BEs respond/ scale with EQ cuz i have never sound any part of their spectrum lacking whatsoever. These BEs has more of a sub bass emphasis m there is only a slight touch of mid bass added to these crazy ears.

 

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Originally Posted by Alberto01 View Post
 

Hey Jodiuh, I have found your posts helpful.  sfwalcer just gets emotionally involved with his audio gear.

^ Where's the fun in it if you aren't emotionally involved/ connected with your gears. YOU MUST BE ONE WITH IT, like that wise saying goes. Be one or be square, think i just made that ish up but you knowhatimeng. ;)

 

On a serious note, if you want more mid bass emphasis with slightly more sub bass emphasis the Vsonic VSD1 is an even more "fun" version of the BEs. They seem to have more bass quantity and quality is pretty similar and as i have stated in my write up they are like 85% and up of the sound of the BEs. This says just EXACTLY how emotionally involved i am with my audio gears, i can sell off my gr07 BEs and just keep the VSD1 and have no regret whatsoever. My cheap ears are more than satisfied with the sound of the Vsonic cheapos. The reason why i haven't is that i overpaid for my BEs and that their current retail price is so low, it's not worth it for me to sell.

 

The most significant difference between the two is that the BEs is more transparent, with bigger staging. The VSD1s is more fun and intimate for me.

 

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Originally Posted by stimer View Post
 

you have to drop all the advice and listen to yourself your palate will tell what to take.

^ Hey you know stimer dood, i thought you were a crazy Vsonic fan boi initially cuz of all your spamming, etc. But i was wrong, good to know what you are really objective with your gears. Yeppp i would have to agree that eventually you just have to buy it and listen to it for yourself. Good points!!!

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