Originally Posted by dallan
Originally Posted by GL1TCH3D
Bought myself a W3000anv as a trade in for my th900.
The W3000anv just sounds like a solid step forward for me. So much smoother but it is definitely more forward
I quite enjoy them but does anyone have any ideas on keeping the headphones in place on your head? I've heard of using an elastic band but I don't know
I just let them sit and rest there. Once used to it it is natural.
I had to add a rubber band to the 3d wing design to give myself more clamping force. I'm not sure if its the shape of my head but without extra clamping / more force keeping it up they just slide down and start resting on the top of my ears which causes discomfort to me very quickly.
I had the same problem with the Beyer T5p when I owned it.
Anyway, muchy more comfortable now.
I'm interested in hearing the W3000anv with alpha pads. I was actually looking to get an Alpha Dogs as my main portable so I could always experiment with that if I do end up with a pair (that is, if someone is willing to let theirs go).
Originally Posted by up late
just interested in your opinion about their strengths and weaknesses - that kind of thing
These are probably the sweetest headphones I've ever heard, and that's what I love. A sweet, smooth natural sound.
I've tried most of the other TOTL headphones (haven't tried the AKG k812 or whatever they're calling it) and this is the sweetest I've heard.
It reminds me a lot of the HD800 when I was pairing that with my original cypher labs algorhythm solo and JDS Labs O2 (portable setup).
The CLAS was extremely sweet in the treble, but still high resolution and make for a really sweet treble that was a pleasure to listen to. (Keep in mind I don't listen to songs with too many cymbals, at least not at that time).
Though I still felt it lacked a full sound.
The ATH W3000anv gives me that full, sweet sound that I've been looking for. Isolation is solid as well which is kind of a plus... maybe? (I have my own room for gaming / music so it's not actually overly important)
If I had to give a side by side comparison with the TH900
TH900 was easier to adjust with EQ. I don't find the W3000anv responding well at all to EQ (not that having EQ off makes it a deal breaker, was testing things such as sub bass).
For that reason the TH900 was closer to being perfectly balanced in frequency response and overall I enjoyed it immensely as a fun type of headphone.
The sub-bass was really nice and brought out some notes that I seldom looked for as a treble head and let me enjoy them. I remember listening to Crossing Fields, the OP to SAO, and that nice bass line kicking in. It's audible but very... covered up in the W3000anv
I kow the W3000anv isn't know for its sub bass, that'sfine with me.
As for the bass it's normal the TH900 would excel in this area given the track record of the old denons using the same design.
It just sounded quite clean and impactful. Not as clean as say the LCD3 but very fair in its own right.
The W3000anv is not as clean in the bass region unfortunately. Less impactful can have a dulling effect when coming from headphones with more bass
As for the mids, I found them to be quite recessed with the TH900. Looking at the FR graph I felt I had to boost the dip at the 800hz if I remember correctly and I brought that up by supposedly 5db. The TH900 seemed to respond very nicely to this. Though the mids weren't nearly as silky smooth as with the W3000anv. I listen to mainly female vocals when I'm not listening to purely instrumental tracks and the female vocals even EQed were still not smooth. They sounded quiet full but didn't have the sweet sound attached. One of the things is I feel the female vocals on the W3000anv lack a tad bit of weight or fullness. They're simply present, and even if they're sweet, are missing that little bit of weight when compared to the very forward nature of the other instruments played through the W300anv. As a metaphor I would say the vocals sound like they're right in the middle of stage (not at the front of the stage) while the rest of the instruments surround it. The TH900 gave everything a spacious sound and led to the vocals having their own space.
As for treble, the sweet violin is what my heart was aching for since I let go of the HD800 combination I mentioned earlier. However, sometimes I find the treble laid back . without weight much like the vocals. I don't know if mayybe a stronger amp / more juice will help. I'll definitely try out different amps and update this then but right now it's lacking in weight (like listening to an underpowered planar?)
The TH900 had a v-shaped signature which is what I tried to balance out with EQ and after some adjustments I found the TH900 to have good treble response overall but it wasn't smooth like the W3000anv.Edited by GL1TCH3D - 7/5/14 at 12:45am