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post #886 of 1241
don't think that bass and dynamics are this can's strengths tbh. but if you're after a smooth, euphonic sound it's hard to beat.
Edited by up late - 4/16/14 at 6:05am
post #887 of 1241
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Originally Posted by up late View Post

don't think that bass and dynamics are this can's strengths tbh. but if you're after a smooth, euphonic sound it's hard to beat.

Agreed, but I don't think smooth and euphonic are all these cans do. They have remarkable texture, presence, and tone, which are qualities that are *very* difficult to find in headphone listening. And I think that accounts for the "euphonic." 

 

Tone, in particular, is poorly understood among audiophiles. Musicians who use string instruments or guitar amps seek out tone, but certain audiophiles claim that hi-fi components are supposed to be neutral, "wire with gain," and should have no tone of their own. Of course, it doesn't quite work that way. Neutrality is a fine goal, but all materials vibrate and ring at certain frequencies. There's a reason headphone cups—and violins, for that matter—aren't often made of things like stone, glass, or steel, all more inert than wood or plastic. Put a stone slab under under your amplifier at home and listen to how it sounds. My point is: the W3000 has a beautiful rich tone that complements most music, but it's also remarkably good at differentiating instrumental textures. My HD800, by comparison, always imparts a subtle plasticky sound to everything I listen to. This has nothing to do with the Sennheiser's (excellent) frequency response, but concerns its materials. So the "wire with gain" measurements people are telling us only part of the story.

 

Rant complete.


Edited by mink70 - 4/16/14 at 11:11am
post #888 of 1241
I know what you mean regarding the HD800. The HD800's tone is a bit off and sounds clinical. It makes instrument sound a little fake compared to a more natural presentation from the w3000.
post #889 of 1241
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I know what you mean regarding the HD800. The HD800's tone is a bit off and sounds clinical. It makes instrument sound a little fake compared to a more natural presentation from the w3000.

I have a slightly different take; I think the tone of a violin is more precise and natural on the HD800, however the W3000 has a smoother presentation/softer leading edges.
post #890 of 1241
Guys if you believe the w3000anv is a notch below any can or doesn't have that bass extension,
you need to hear them with the AlphaPads..
I have said this before and cannot stress enough that I believe it sounds grander and more superior with these plush angled leather pads.
They are not easy to put on, but with a little patience you will be very happy.
I had these on a table with the LCD X and the AlphaDogs and I know they are different technology cans but they surpass the Alpha and matched the LCD in musicality which I know is a vague comments so I will say the bass, the mids, and the trebles all had a uniformity that placed it on par with anything I herd there.
Supple bass Details shown like never before as well.

Anyway the reason I swapped is because I did want the hd800 but alas will sell it soon as I am going for planar sound and loved the LCD x
post #891 of 1241
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Edited by up late - 4/16/14 at 7:05pm
post #892 of 1241
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Originally Posted by mink70 View Post

Agreed, but I don't think smooth and euphonic are all these cans do. They have remarkable texture, presence, and tone, ... And I think that accounts for the "euphonic."... My point is: the W3000 has a beautiful rich tone that complements most music, but it's also remarkably good at differentiating instrumental textures...

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post #893 of 1241
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I know what you mean regarding the HD800. The HD800's tone is a bit off and sounds clinical. It makes instrument sound a little fake compared to a more natural presentation from the w3000.

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post #894 of 1241

Okay, as a newcomer to the the W3000 kingdom, I have a question. I'm running it via the 1/4" jack through the DNA Sonett 2, with its impedance at the lowest setting, 11 ohms. It sounds nice but I get the feeling it could be even better. My headphone also has a 4-pin balanced XLR connector, but on the DNA amp the impedance, through the balanced input, rises to 22 ohms, and everything sounds noticeably worse. Also having so-so luck driving them with a ALO Continental v2.

 

Can anyone recommend an awesome amp to drive the W3000? (I'm a tube-head, and that tends to be my preference) Anyone have experience driving them balanced or impedance recommendations?

 

Thank you! 


Edited by mink70 - 4/25/14 at 12:10pm
post #895 of 1241
don't tube amps have higher output impedance than solid state? a solid state might be a better match with a low impedance can like the w3000anv - think it's 40 ohms.
post #896 of 1241
I think there was much amp discussion at the beginning of this thread, as well in this thread.
post #897 of 1241

I use both my V200 solid state and my Zana Deux.  The Zana Deux sounds more dynamic and clear and over all better but the v200 seems fuller with more warmth and maybe mid bass is up a bit. If you feel your tube amp is thin, the v200 is a very good bet, but it is solid state though a very tubey sounding solid state.

post #898 of 1241
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Originally Posted by mink70 View Post

Okay, as a newcomer to the the W3000 kingdom, I have a question. I'm running it via the 1/4" jack through the DNA Sonett 2, with its impedance at the lowest setting, 11 ohms. It sounds nice but I get the feeling it could be even better. My headphone also has a 4-pin balanced XLR connector, but on the DNA amp the impedance, through the balanced input, rises to 22 ohms, and everything sounds noticeably worse. Also having so-so luck driving them with a ALO Continental v2.

Can anyone recommend an awesome amp to drive the W3000? (I'm a tube-head, and that tends to be my preference) Anyone have experience driving them balanced or impedance recommendations?

Thank you! 
Ok I looked up your DNA sonett2 and that's a sweet tube setup.
Unfortunately not only impedance is at play here but output power as well.
Your amp is weak in power. .

A lot people have opinions but untill you herd the difference you won't know how more power makes an amp music sound more effortless and real with more authority in dynamics.

I had a sweet little dot 3 with gold pin upgraded tubes and it may have had more power yet it sweet only with the right cans because of the higher impedance from lack of an output transformer.

Your amp has an output transformer which helps with impedance,
but basically tube Amps push voltage more than current.
You need more power for the w3000anv.
The HD800 was ok because of impedance yet I wonder as they could take more power as well. .

So you need better impedance match and more raw power for a low impedance can like this to make it sing.

What I herd at the NYmeet pairing the w3000anv with the "Headamp GSX-MK" (a SS amp) was better than I ever herd it before and seriously made me rethink what I was doing letting them go.

I would look into a nice solid state amp and of that caliber.
I myself am curious about the oppo HA -1 coming soon as it includes a top DSD capable dac.

Also my woo wa7 is an excellent choice if you like tubes, and I ordered the new power supply so it can have the power and authority I herd at the NYmeet which rivaled the other top amps.
But that was most noticeable when swapping out the stock tubes.

But I gotta say I loved that Headamp GSX-MK with both the w3000anv and the LCD X
Edited by Maxx134 - 4/27/14 at 11:07am
post #899 of 1241

I have noticed that with the DNA Sonett2 as well. For me it under powers my phones compared to the amps that i own, when checking side by side.

post #900 of 1241
checked out the dna site - that sonett 2 is one sweet looking amp. the designer says that most modern cans produce 95-100 db with 1mw of power. figure he means dynamics not planars. anyways that is very efficient. makes me wonder why folks think their cans need moar power. dunno for sure but the amp's output impedance looks kinda high for a 40 ohm can.
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