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post #466 of 1407

Never hearing the W1000X I really can't comment on them.  However, if bass is the driving factor here I would look at the TH-900 or (not hearing as well - the TH-600).  The bass on the W3000s are good but not great,  also not as much in terms of quantity as the TH-900s or I'm guessing the TH-600s.

post #467 of 1407

Out of the Denon range, I have only heard the D2000. The TH-900 has filled in the missing low end which makes it sound more solid, and the treble is more balanced and no longer painful. The D2000 also seems to have a random sound range lacking which can make it sound open and airy and yet somewhat empty. 

 

 

I have a W1000X which I would call my number two headphone (unfortunately I have not heard the W3000ANV). The bass in the W1000X is more fluid sounding than in the TH-900. The TH-900 bass extends lower and gives punch when called for. 

 

The W1000X treble sounds more shrill and somewhat restrained than in the TH-900. The TH-900 treble extends higher though.

 

The TH-900 is less coloured and sounds clearer. However, the W1000X sounds more comfy and has a nice kind of overall warmth. The TH-900 can be warm, but it won't always be warm. 

 

The TH-900 doesn't sound particularly "woody" and "romantic" like the W1000X does. You will hear more with the TH-900, but it might be more of a "studio" presentation. With a studio presentation comes speed and accuracy and precision, but it has a solid and precise low end (including low end rumble when called for) which completes the package.

 

Overall, I would say that the TH-900 is more dynamic, is more balanced sounding and resolving than the W1000X.

 

In short, I would say that the TH-900 is sugar and the W1000X is honey.

 

Not sure if I would want to hear the W3000ANV myself, but if you like honey the W3000ANV might be the next step up.

post #468 of 1407
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Originally Posted by namaiki View Post

Out of the Denon range, I have only heard the D2000. The TH-900 has filled in the missing low end which makes it sound more solid, and the treble is more balanced and no longer painful. The D2000 also seems to have a random sound range lacking which can make it sound open and airy and yet somewhat empty. 

 

 

I have a W1000X which I would call my number two headphone (unfortunately I have not heard the W3000ANV). The bass in the W1000X is more fluid sounding than in the TH-900. The TH-900 bass extends lower and gives punch when called for. 

 

The W1000X treble sounds more shrill and somewhat restrained than in the TH-900. The TH-900 treble extends higher though.

 

The TH-900 is less coloured and sounds clearer. However, the W1000X sounds more comfy and has a nice kind of overall warmth. The TH-900 can be warm, but it won't always be warm. 

 

The TH-900 doesn't sound particularly "woody" and "romantic" like the W1000X does. You will hear more with the TH-900, but it might be more of a "studio" presentation. With a studio presentation comes speed and accuracy and precision, but it has a solid and precise low end (including low end rumble when called for) which completes the package.

 

Overall, I would say that the TH-900 is more dynamic, is more balanced sounding and resolving than the W1000X.

 

In short, I would say that the TH-900 is sugar and the W1000X is honey.

 

Not sure if I would want to hear the W3000ANV myself, but if you like honey the W3000ANV might be the next step up.


Thanks for the impressions, this is helpful. I guess I wouldn't be considering the TH-900 then (or presumably the TH-600 as well, based on the impressions of even more balance than the 900). The voicing and flavor of the W1000X is one of my favorite aspects about it and I am looking for something greater that is does not sacrifice the coloration.

 

I am nonetheless interested in the grade of improvement the W3000ANV represents over the W1000X. My impression from reading is that the former doesn't hold up to the HD 800, LCD-2, T1 or even HE-500 class of performance. I get the feeling from my reading that the limited-run ATH models are slightly overpriced for the level of performance they offer, and that there is an inflation of opinion on them given their rarity and prestige.

 

I'm a bit troubled since what I've read suggests the W3000ANV sacrifices a great deal of bass quantity relative to the W1000X, and the level of incremental refinement is not described with a relative parallel (e.g. whether it's a D2000>D5000 difference or D5000>D7000 difference, or other such examples) due to the difference in voicing. I was considering the L3000 as well as a potential upgrade, but am further troubled by the opinion of a well-respected head-fi'er who prefers the sound of the W1000X. The only viable alternative seems to be the W11JPN then.


Edited by 3X0 - 4/29/13 at 9:04am
post #469 of 1407
post #470 of 1407


Thanks for that, but I don't trust the opinion of that editor since I don't agree with his impressions of the W1000X versus the W5000 at all (among other opinions of his e.g. DT770 LE). I'd much rather hear from the experiences of well-respected members that have significant exposure to the W1000X and W3000ANV and/or other limited woodies.

post #471 of 1407

Gotcha...  Just another data point..

post #472 of 1407

I love the sound of my W3000ANVs, but the way they fit to my head is strange. It may work on your head, it may not. They are not adjustable.

post #473 of 1407

I am sure I am in the minority, but having had the chance to audition the D2000, D5000, D7000, I actually like the D2000 the best, as I feel it has a more balanced presentation and the greatest value from a price/performance standpoint.  I found the D5000 to have a treble that was unpleasantly sharp.  I thought the D7000 brought back better balance with some refinement, but wasn't worth the price increase (pretty cups, though).  I think the TH-900s are quite good, but I they should be priced $1000-1500, to better reflect their performance relative to the other top of the line headphones.  Just throwing that out there to muddy things up in that looking for a quality jump comparison might not be useful.

 

If you are looking for the W3000ANV to match the technicalities of an HD800, TH-900, or even LCD-2s, I think you might be disappointed, but I think their going price of around $1000ish (used) can still be justified.  When I first got mine, I wasn't impressed since I was coming from the HD800s.  As I have listened to them more, I have grown to appreciate what many who love them find special.  Their is a beautiful liquidity and warmth to them, with a nice sparkle on top.  I find them to have a good amount of bass, though not the sub-bass that the TH900s nor HD800s (they go low, just not a lot of quantity) have.  Now, I still don't know if I am going to keep mine, for as much as I do like them (and I am a hoarder so a limited edition has special appeal), I just don't listen to them with the HD800s and LCD-2s on hand.  

 

I haven't heard the W1000X's, but unless they are bass monsters, I can't imagine being completely dissatisfied with the W3000ANV bass, especially if you get a good seal (thicker aftermarket pads help).

post #474 of 1407

I own both, W1000X and W3000ANV, and for me W3000ANV are more versatile headphones, which is something to appreciate if you want to have one headphone setup. I am not the right person to give any educative comparison and I actually never did any A/B testing between them (and due to inadequate audio chain I am keeping my W3000ANV in a box for the time being, until new components arrive). But, I can give what I observed during listening:

 - both share same romantic nature, mids are more-less the same

 - they are not that different in higher frequencies either, W3000ANV takes an edge with smoother extension

 - bass: in this department is the biggest improvement for me (going from W1000X to W3000), bass quantity is pretty much the same but significant changes. It is much more controlled and tighter, kicks when it is supposed to kick, and even with faster music bass does not get muddy (on W1000X when listening to Nightwish for example, W1000X sometimes cannot catch up to the tempo and lower frequencies get "mixed", while W3000ANV still kicks hard)

 

That being said, don't take this as leading point, it's just what I feel when I listen to my favourite tracks (I listen to jazz, big bands, heavy metal, OSTs, classical music, instrumental techno, simply a wide variety of music). I am not trained to catch nuances between sound signatures of different headphones, nor to speak technical about it, I am just an audio enthusiast and musician :) If I should answer a question whether the difference between those both is worth of extra money - I am going it definatelly is, at least for me.

post #475 of 1407

I think filuS summarizes almost all of my thoughts about the W1000X vs W3000ANV fairly well.  While I think the W3000ANV offers a clearer treble (both get a little rolled off), the main difference is how much better bass is controlled vs the W1000X.  Tighter punchier bass on the W3000ANV, compared to boomier W1000X.  I also use my W3000ANV as an all around headphone with my computer, mainly music, but also for video watching or gaming.  

post #476 of 1407

How do you get thicker aftermarket pads for the W3000anv? (The L3000 pads?) In any case, how difficult is changing them? Thanks.

post #477 of 1407
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

How do you get thicker aftermarket pads for the W3000anv? (The L3000 pads?) In any case, how difficult is changing them? Thanks.

I am using a pair of J$ Beyerdynamic pads.  The holes on the original pads fit my ears a little funny in that they were almost not circumaural.  The J$ pads fixed this in addition to sealing better and actually helped the headband fit better by making my head "larger."

 

Unfortunately, they are not sold anymore, though they do come up from time to time on the FS forum.

 

My J$ pads fit on the Hifiman HE-XXX line as well.  My J$ Denon pads also fit the Hifiman line so I am extrapolating that almost any aftermarket pad for either Denon, Hifiman, or Beyer could potentially fit.  I have some old LCD-2 pads that I can try as well.  If true, you would have a lot of options:  pleather, protein leather, leather, velour, etc. to experiment with.

post #478 of 1407

I got a pair of L3000 pads in.  Not much of a difference.  I may order the MarkL thick pads just to try them out.

post #479 of 1407

It's interesting that a number of different pads could conceivably fit. I thought only a custom one would work.

post #480 of 1407

Is the bass quantity of the W3000ANV actually similar to the W1000X? I find that somewhat difficult to believe since earlier opinions say contrariwise. My W1000X + J$ Beyerdynamic pads are giving me significantly greater bass quantity than my DT 770 LE, HF-2, HD 650 and JH13s do. I find the excessive woody resonance in the lower registers to be an endearing feature (i.e. I like the boominess in the bass), and I like that I'm getting good response down to 20Hz after the pad swap. If you guys are honestly telling me the W3000ANV doesn't skimp out on this bass emphasis (skimping usually happens when you get "tighter and more controlled") in comparison I'll definitely have to look for one.


Edited by 3X0 - 4/29/13 at 5:42pm
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