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post #8941 of 8949
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post


Yes, all of these have separate line outs:

X3, X3ii, X5, DX50, DX90.

The X1 via switch in software but the same port...

Cheers,
K

Ok so just to get this right, all the listed daps when paired with an external will act as a variable line-out when the digital volume on the dap is turned up to max? 

If so, if I lower the digital volume on the dap itself, will the sound be effected?  

If the sound is in fact effected when the digital volume is not set to max, it then really can't be considered variable line-out, but fixed. 

post #8942 of 8949
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Originally Posted by Fungus View Post
 

Ok so just to get this right, all the listed daps when paired with an external will act as a variable line-out when the digital volume on the dap is turned up to max? 

If so, if I lower the digital volume on the dap itself, will the sound be effected?  

If the sound is in fact effected when the digital volume is not set to max, it then really can't be considered variable line-out, but fixed. 

 

Not quite, here is the breakdown:

 

X3, X3ii, X5 not variable - fixed line out (with dedicated port, direct from DAC chip, unamped) -  volume change does not alter the line out signal

X1 - not a fixed port, uses the same port switched by software (never had one, don't know if volume change affects line out

DX50, DX90 - dedicated port  - line out volume adjusts with volume change but the signal is unamped directly from DAC)

 

Quote: If the sound is in fact effected when the digital volume is not set to max, it then really can't be considered variable line-out, but fixed. 

Try easier things than double negation :-) I was confused by it...: Volume alters signal - variable, line out volume not changeable - fixed

 

Then is a variable port (using the same port for Line out and Headphone out) and something completely separate: having a volume adjustable line out...

 

Answer: No - if it's affected then it's variable line out, if it doesn't affect it it's a fixed line out. Dedicated port or not.

 

Cheers,

K


Edited by Koolpep - 5/5/15 at 2:34am
post #8943 of 8949
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 

 

Not quite, here is the breakdown:

 

X3, X3ii, X5 not variable - fixed line out (with dedicated port, direct from DAC chip, unamped) -  volume change does not alter the line out signal

X1 - not a fixed port, uses the same port switched by software (never had one, don't know if volume change affects line out

DX50, DX90 - dedicated port  - line out volume adjusts with volume change but the signal is unamped directly from DAC)

 

Quote: If the sound is in fact effected when the digital volume is not set to max, it then really can't be considered variable line-out, but fixed. 

Try easier things than double negation :-) I was confused by it...: Volume alters signal - variable, line out volume not changeable - fixed

 

Then is a variable port (using the same port for Line out and Headphone out) and something completely separate: having a volume adjustable line out...

 

Answer: No - if it's affected then it's variable line out, if it doesn't affect it it's a fixed line out. Dedicated port or not.

 

Cheers,

K

So essentially variable or fixed line out ends up having the same result, that they both bypass the internal amp stage. 

post #8944 of 8949
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Originally Posted by Fungus View Post
 

So essentially variable or fixed line out ends up having the same result, that they both bypass the internal amp stage. 


that is the idea. It's a high impedance analog connection for other gear - directly form the DAC into another amp (or whatever you want to connect).

 

Cheers,

K

post #8945 of 8949

is there any comparison in term of sound signature and sound quality between ak100mk2 and ak100ii?

are the change in audio chip from wolfson to cirrus logic change the sound sig?

how far it change?

i'm mk2 user and curious about the 2nd generation version of AK with cirrus logic

post #8946 of 8949

Wildly different.

post #8947 of 8949
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 


that is the idea. It's a high impedance analog connection for other gear - directly form the DAC into another amp (or whatever you want to connect).

 

Cheers,

K

Does the 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 


that is the idea. It's a high impedance analog connection for other gear - directly form the DAC into another amp (or whatever you want to connect).

 

Cheers,

K

So just to clarify, the dx players having a dedicated port means having a separate line-out port for connecting to an external amp as to oppose to doubling the headphone out as a line out.


Edited by Fungus - 5/5/15 at 4:11pm
post #8948 of 8949
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Does the 

So just to clarify, the dx players having a dedicated port means having a separate line-out port for connecting to an external amp as to oppose to doubling the headphone out as a line out.


Correct. These players have separate line out port: DX50, DX90, X3, X3ii, X5

These do not: AK100, AK100Mk2, AK120, X1

 

Cheers,

K

post #8949 of 8949

My AK100, Whiplash IC, SMSL SAP-5 amp. IEMs re-cabled Shure E4C and stock Westone UM3X.

It's a very good pairing. Very little detail lost if there is any. Transparent and dynamic. Restored iem tonal balance with the SMSL SAP-5. 

The re-cabled Shure E4C is much more open sounding. The Westone UM3X sounds a bit veiled but nonetheless enjoyable in non critical mood.

 

 

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