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post #6301 of 8516
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Yup. Currently downgrading to 1.33 to install Listrid.

I have not downgrade to fw 1,33
I copy and paste directly to fw 2.01

The result are :

Fw 2.01 : Boost function now is no more

With Listrid 2.00 you become better function
HQ equaliser
Gapless is the same on fw 2.01 and Listrid fw 2.00

But the SQ with Listrik fw 2.00 is much better
You will love it like me biggrin.gif
post #6302 of 8516
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Really? The Korean site(Cafe@naver) said that I should downgrade to 1.33. I guess I don't. But it's too late! BTW, where can I download listrid?

NVM. I got the firmware. I'll post impressions in few days.

post #6303 of 8516

No offense to rudi and listrid supporters, but I prefer the stock 2.01 much more. Here are few reasons why:

1. Ability to turn on/off boost.

2. Ability to choose theme for homescreen.

3. Overall sound: While listrid definitely has much quicker bass, it lacks mid/treble smoothness, causing the sound to be mediocre. I also think that 2.01 has better sound stage.

 

Well, I guess I'm looking forward to next iRiver update with possible USB DAC feature(I really want this). But still, Kudos to the Russian programmer!

post #6304 of 8516
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

No offense to rudi and listrid supporters, but I prefer the stock 2.01 much more. Here are few reasons why:

1. Ability to turn on/off boost.

2. Ability to choose theme for homescreen.

3. Overall sound: While listrid definitely has much quicker bass, it lacks mid/treble smoothness, causing the sound to be mediocre. I also think that 2.01 has better sound stage.

 

Well, I guess I'm looking forward to next iRiver update with possible USB DAC feature(I really want this). But still, Kudos to the Russian programmer!

+1

I´m absolutely with you...

Listrid was to much "in the face" for me.

post #6305 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Ulmisch View Post

+1

I´m absolutely with you...

Listrid was to much "in the face" for me.

I wonder why sound would change. I'm guessing it's because listrid uses AK120's firmware, tuned for AK120's hardware. With that being said, listrid will not have the flat sound sig that AK100 was intended to have. But this is all just my speculation.

post #6306 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

 

Vinnie, I agree when all internal parts and circuits remain the same there is no reason why sound should change. However are you sure all capacitive, conductor and other parts in gold version were kept the same make? Lets say what if some circuits for this version came from different manufacture? We all know Intel Chips are Intel Chips but different make means different quality Intel, same applies to graphic cards … make means quality difference IMHO.

Of course there is no question if all inner parts were kept same quality and from the same manufacturers.

 

Hi Gintaras,

 

I agree - this makes a lot more sense to me than the difference in sound being the result of the color of the anodize or the battery.  If they did the gold AK100 in a separate production run, it is possible that the board house substituted a part with an equivalent one (same rating, different brand or composition, such as a capacitor).  If it is a part in the signal path, it could be easy enough

to hear.  This actually happens more often in board assembly houses that you'd think.  For most things it is ok, but for an audiophile device, it is best to keep every part identical.

 

Ok - we now return to your regularly scheduled program... cool.gif

 

Vinnie

post #6307 of 8516
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

No offense to rudi and listrid supporters, but I prefer the stock 2.01 much more. Here are few reasons why:
1. Ability to turn on/off boost.
2. Ability to choose theme for homescreen.
3. Overall sound: While listrid definitely has much quicker bass, it lacks mid/treble smoothness, causing the sound to be mediocre. I also think that 2.01 has better sound stage.

Well, I guess I'm looking forward to next iRiver update with possible USB DAC feature(I really want this). But still, Kudos to the Russian programmer!

It is ok kimvictor biggrin.gif
Audio is the mater of taste and synergy with your set up
post #6308 of 8516
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post


It is ok kimvictor biggrin.gif
Audio is the mater of taste and synergy with your set up

I get that. However, the bass really impressed me. Much faster and aggressive. I wonder why iRiver couldn't get that kind of bass on the stock firmware. I really want the bass from listrid and mid/treble from the stock. I guess there is no way yet.

post #6309 of 8516
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

I get that. However, the bass really impressed me. Much faster and aggressive. I wonder why iRiver couldn't get that kind of bass on the stock firmware. I really want the bass from listrid and mid/treble from the stock. I guess there is no way yet.

 

just wait...

 

im actually hoping for the next FW that has the characteristics of both FW (Listrid's Bass and Mids & Official's Imaging and Staging that is similar to the AK120)

 

L3000.gif I would be soooo happy if such a FW is made.

post #6310 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Fatalethal View Post

 

just wait...

 

im actually hoping for the next FW that has the characteristics of both FW (Listrid's Bass and Mids & Official's Imaging and Staging that is similar to the AK120)

 

L3000.gif I would be soooo happy if such a FW is made.

Yup. Hoping for that kind of a upgrade. USB DAC would also be great.

post #6311 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post

 

Hi Gintaras,

 

I agree - this makes a lot more sense to me than the difference in sound being the result of the color of the anodize or the battery.  If they did the gold AK100 in a separate production run, it is possible that the board house substituted a part with an equivalent one (same rating, different brand or composition, such as a capacitor).  If it is a part in the signal path, it could be easy enough

to hear.  This actually happens more often in board assembly houses that you'd think.  For most things it is ok, but for an audiophile device, it is best to keep every part identical.

 

Ok - we now return to your regularly scheduled program... cool.gif

 

Vinnie

 

Vinnie, thanks and thanks for RWAK mod, i enjoy this a lot beerchug.gif

curious to hear others impressions from your AK100-S mod now, great job.

 

btw, IF Iriver considers its AK DAP high-end or elitist then why not allow RWA to make official mods to it? some high-end gear gets moded like older PS Audio III DAC Cullin Mod or ModWright Oppo BDP and there is no problem for the maker because people still pay the product and on top of this they pay for mod. so what's the problem for Iriver when Mod can only further popularise their product?

post #6312 of 8516
Vinnie I noticed your ad on your website for mod RWAK100S are those still available and as far as warranty how long are we talking about here? Meaning how many years do you warranty the modified unit?

Is there any worthwhile options for the mod or it is a standard option?

Thanks Vinnie in advance for the info.

Other than the addition of an amp, what type of upgraded cabling are we talking about here for say Silver based wires?

Jon
post #6313 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Ulmisch View Post

+1
I´m absolutely with you...
Listrid was to much "in the face" for me.

+1
Same sentiments...I love the sound staging of stock 2.01...listrid 2.0 is just too "in my face" as compared to stock... But I can't deny that I miss listrid's bass... Deep and impactful..
post #6314 of 8516
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Originally Posted by Capri87 View Post

+1
Same sentiments...I love the sound staging of stock 2.01...listrid 2.0 is just too "in my face" as compared to stock... But I can't deny that I miss listrid's bass... Deep and impactful..

+1
Listrid FW i love for stable operation and for bringing effortless dynamic... this indeed helps tighten bass and boost lower mids, but unfortunately that comes at expense of black space and bit more digital artifacts, i clearly can hear bit congestion around musical contour, some transients suffer less velvet smoothness while mid bass punch comes at expense of timing which reveals too busy background and decrease decay and full note reverb.

sorry if i happen to be in sceptic camp on this. actually such changes are about subtleys and harmony. i call it digitis signature impact.
post #6315 of 8516

Gotta say I'm with Rudi on this. On my MS-AK100/TWAG Gold 8/TG!334 setup there is no lack of juicy mids nor treble problems, and the bass hits home running Listrid 2.0. It is portable endgame for me for quite a while, both my ears, wallet and wife tells me so.... rolleyes.gif

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