T-Peos H-100 Hybrid IEM Appreciation Thread - Page 63

Just want to add to what H20Fidelity has said about tips. I usually have no issue at all with tips and medium sized oval silicons of pretty much any type fit me a treat. This has not been the case with the tips that shipped with the H100, where the best fit I have been able to get is with the largest size tips and even those were not ideal..

Following H20's recommendation, I switched to my GR07 tips and those are an excellent fit for me and present the sound perfectly, so I would like to thank him for that.

It is critical you get a good tip fitting with these H100 IEM's, more so than with any other IEM I have tried. Failure to get the right tip that works with both them and your ears, will result in either a very thin sounding presentation across the board, or at the other end of the fit experience, muddy and bloated bass.

GR07 oval silicons work an absolute treat with the H100 as long as they fit your ears OK.

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Originally Posted by phlashbios 

It is critical you get a good tip fitting with these H100 IEM's, more so than with any other IEM I have tried. Failure to get the right tip that works with both them and your ears, will result in either a very thin sounding presentation across the board, or at the other end of the fit experience, muddy and bloated bass.

Be carefull about that statement! I once tried to emphasize in this thread how much tip selection and insertion depth is important when using this IEM (as is source/amp pairing), and I was told I was being insultous to other members that had vast experience with IEMs! To me, the H-100 respond very differently to all those variables (tips, insertion depth and source/amp pairing) than any of my other IEMs, but what do I know... 

OK although I am happy with Comply T-200 and TS-200, I've purchased them V-Moda tips, thank you for the suggestion - shipping is not too bad, $5 for 1-4 weeks, so hopefully it will turn up here sooner

I would be absolutely happy if it does indeed lift the mids and tame the brightness

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Originally Posted by putente 

 

 

Be carefull about that statement! I once tried to emphasize in this thread how much tip selection and insertion depth is important when using this IEM (as is source/amp pairing), and I was told I was being insultous to other members that had vast experience with IEMs! To me, the H-100 respond very differently to all those variables (tips, insertion depth and source/amp pairing) than any of my other IEMs, but what do I know... 

Lol, then I guess we are two heretics together  

I absolutely can say, without any hesitation or doubt, that I do not have another IEM that is as sensitive to tip and fit as this one is. I have got others that improve or get worse with different tips and fits, but the difference with this H100 IEM is like day and night between the right tip and a wrong one.

It's a joy paired with the Colorfly C3 too. H20 and others that have said so, are absolutely right. Only my GR07 pairs as well with the C3 as this does. Not that I am comparing the GR07 with the H100, they are entirely different animals, it's just that they both have very good synergy with the C3.

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Originally Posted by phlashbios 

 

Lol, then I guess we are two heretics together 

 

I absolutely can say, without any hesitation or doubt, that I do not have another IEM that is as sensitive to tip and fit as this one is. I have got others that improve or get worse with different tips and fits, but the difference with this H100 IEM is like day and night between the right tip and a wrong one.

 

It's a joy paired with the Colorfly C3 too. H20 and others that have said so, are absolutely right. Only my GR07 pairs as well with the C3 as this does. Not that I am comparing the GR07 with the H100, they are entirely different animals, it's just that they both have very good synergy with the C3.

Yeah agreed, I cannot stand the stock tips for some reason, it's just sounded wrong, at the moment there is no silicone tips that I like with these, shure silicone is the best one but even that is not even remotely as good as Comply, so let's hope the V-Moda will help.

I am considering C3 too now hahaha, damn you people...

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Originally Posted by phlashbios 

 

Lol, then I guess we are two heretics together 

 

I absolutely can say, without any hesitation or doubt, that I do not have another IEM that is as sensitive to tip and fit as this one is. I have got others that improve or get worse with different tips and fits, but the difference with this H100 IEM is like day and night between the right tip and a wrong one.

 

It's a joy paired with the Colorfly C3 too. H20 and others that have said so, are absolutely right. Only my GR07 pairs as well with the C3 as this does. Not that I am comparing the GR07 with the H100, they are entirely different animals, it's just that they both have very good synergy with the C3.

Carefull there! You can't say I didn't warn you... 

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Originally Posted by djvkool 

I am considering C3 too now hahaha, damn you people...

For the price the C3 is as an ebay purchase, it is excellent value for money. Great sound quality. It does seem to have a quite high output impedance (though I can't find anything on the web that says what it is) and doesn't work with my HY3 at all well, unless I pump the volume up to max, though it is fine with everything else I have, and particularly good with the GR07 and this H100.

wasn't it 16mw and 16mw or something like that..

Anyhow the lower profile V-moda tips are made from medical grade silicone, maybe that's the difference. Or the flange thickness is slightly thinner maybe. Who knows, it's a trade secret. I'll retry mine again soon

OK, got my 75 Ohm adaptor to try with the H100 and here's a quick summary of my findings using it directly with sources. In all cases here, I am using a flat EQ. Impedance of the H-100 is stated on its documentation as 32 Ohms and 101dB SNR, but as all of you will know with BA's, that impedance rating will be an average value at 1kHz and can rise and fall significantly above and below that during use:

Sansa Clip Zip (Rockbox) - The Clip is not an ideal partner for the H100 in the first place, as its clarity and neutrality of presentation, seems to accentuate the already sparkly trebles of the H100 and make them a little shrill. What the adaptor does when attached is soften the presentation from end to end, definitely takes the edge off the trebles and smoothing the whole frequency range. If you are after a significantly smoother and softer presentation, this may suit you. Mids are brought forward slightly, bass and treble remain where they were in the mix. However, it also means that playing music through an unamped Clip Zip, requires you to have the Zip at maximum volume for an acceptable listening experience and this obviously has implications for both user flexibility and battery drain.

Cowon C2 - again softens the presentation from from end to end and I think you lose a little of the bass punch. This being a Cowon however, you can tailor the sound to suit you again through its sound shaping technologies and EQ. The big issue with the Cowon is that again it requires max volume when listening for an adequate listening experience and unfortunately on the Cowan, this results in distortion and noise appearing in the sound, right across the spectrum. The Cowan with the adaptor and the H100 is not a setup that should be considered by anyone.

Colorfly C3 - The H100 on its own with the C3 is a lovely pairing that is only matched for me by the GR07 pairing with the C3. Some IEM's and sources just have great synergy and the C3 and the H100 are one of those. Adding the adaptor to this source adds absolutely nothing of any interest to the sound and in fact removes sparkle from the treble to such a degree the sound becomes dull. Again, max volume is required for an adequate listening experience. The adaptor with this combination is not something I can recommend to anyone.

iPod 5th Gen (Rockbox) - Cannot test this atm, as the logic board has failed on my iPod.

Next up will be to test the 75 Ohm adaptor with my Fiio E7 DAC/Amp, but I currently have that out on loan, so it might be a few weeks before I can do that. 

Great findings, phlashbios! I felt the exact same way about the RB Clip+ with the H-100. I've got to buy me one of those adapters, as I always use my H-100 amped! Buy, or build one! How hard can it be?!?

Now I sorta regret ordering that adapter... O'well, will test it out on my S9 and my C3 once it arrives.

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Originally Posted by putente 

Great findings, phlashbios! I felt the exact same way about the RB Clip+ with the H-100. I've got to buy me one of those adapters, as I always use my H-100 amped! Buy, or build one! How hard can it be?!?

I didn't like the look of some of the adaptors on ebay, they looked cheap and nasty, and as we all know, our setups are only as good as their weakest link, so the last thing I wanted to do was introduce a poor quality item into the chain from source ---> IEM.

I could, I think, have made one, but I wasn't satisfied I could have made one of the quality of the one I purchased without making some mistakes and taking into account the cost of components and how much my time was worth and my relatively poor skills with a soldering iron, I decided that buying one of decent quality was my best option 

I think I posted this before, but in case I didn't, this is the one I bought:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Etymotic-Headphones-ER4P-ER4S-75-Ohm-Convertor-Cable-/280732730536?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item415cf984a8

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Originally Posted by phlashbios 

 

I didn't like the look of some of the adaptors on ebay, they looked cheap and nasty, and as we all know, our setups are only as good as their weakest link, so the last thing I wanted to do was introduce a poor quality item into the chain from source ---> IEM.

 

I could, I think, have made one, but I wasn't satisfied I could have made one of the quality of the one I purchased without making some mistakes and taking into account the cost of components and how much my time was worth and my relatively poor skills with a soldering iron, I decided that buying one of decent quality was my best option 

 

I think I posted this before, but in case I didn't, this is the one I bought:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Etymotic-Headphones-ER4P-ER4S-75-Ohm-Convertor-Cable-/280732730536?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item415cf984a8

Yes, I must agree with you. But I think those adapters are done basically by adding resistors with the value you want to the connection chain. I'm considering the DIY route to be able to experiment with different values, higher than 75Ohm and see what happens... 

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Originally Posted by Vlooienuker 

Now I sorta regret ordering that adapter... O'well, will test it out on my S9 and my C3 once it arrives.

I think you will find it adds nothing to the C3, and in fact detracts from the H100's sound. The Cowon may be OK once you have messed about with the BBE and EQ again, but to get a decent volume on my C2 added distortion and noise to an unacceptable degree. Your S9 might be different of course, I am not sure how much of the amplification components of its insides (if any) it shares with the C2.

Or were you planning on using them amped and with the adaptor ?

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Originally Posted by putente 

 

 

Yes, I must agree with you. But I think those adapters are done basically by adding resistors with the value you want to the connection chain. I'm considering the DIY route to be able to experiment with different values, higher than 75Ohm and see what happens... 

Well, I will be trying again with the adaptor and my sources amped, once I get my E7 back from loan, otherwise I do not have a use for this adaptor with the H100.

It's not a waste of time and money for me though, as I am currently on the lookout for an Ety ER4P to add to my collection and use the adaptor to turn it into a ER4S.

Plus, I might find that the adaptor is fantastic, once I amp the sources. Expecting some of my sources to cope with 107 Ohms of impedance (disregarding for a second that it may go much higher than that with BA's too) hanging off them, and no amplification, was probably expecting too much 

That said, unless you try these things though, how do you ever know ? 

I have noticed that the Fiio E07K is now available to order, I wonder should I just leave my E7 on loan with my friend and order an E07K...