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Personally its the open spacious nature together with the amazingly fast detailed crystalline nature of the highs, throw in the excellent tight bass, in some cases like a reverberating ( not in a bad way ) wall of solid deeply extended lows( the tonality of the bass specifically ).Some vocals can be further out as well as some mids at times. Not right up front but also not completely missing.

In a minor way it reminds me of the Ultrasone S-logic with its spatial presentation, well the bass also. ( I hesitate to make that comparison hence the bold text)

It all combines together and just does something for me. Almost ethereal at times.

 

 

I don't know how else to put it for now, some tracks don't do as well on them and that might be due to their mastering together with some of the tuning on these.

I contacted someone who fully knows the ins and outs of original recording methods and they will hopefully pop in here soon to speak to this, but for now they are otherwise occupied with personal matters.

 

 

Sorry if i stated the obvious in the post here, sort of talking out loud to myself and separating what i find interesting and appealing with these. Probably didn't do a good job of the sound description.

 

Good points in the prior post on the separation and also the tip insertion. In my opinion shallow insertion isn't better, as has been stated in here before.

Gonna quit editing this and let it stand for now.


Edited by nick n - 11/14/12 at 4:59pm

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post #677 of 1259

Thank you.

 

See, the way I hear it is this:

 

The clarity comes at the expense of the mid-range. It's not the kind of clarity that you'll find in the Etymotic range. Instead, it just eschews everything between the sub-bass and highs, messing up tone of the sound. I've had the 4Ai for the last week, and the H-100 doesn't even come close in any way. 

 

Yes, the mids are recessed, but that's not the cause of the problem. The lower midrange lacks any sort of body (my etymotic hf3 sounds fuller), but the upper mids are shrill, leading to a hollow and nasaly sound that just sounds god-awful on a LOT of tracks.

 

So once again, the clarity and spaciousness comes at the expense of the mids.

 

 

Still, I'm in talks to buy another pair. I'm going to give them another go.

post #678 of 1259

Another go at them?

 

 What is it that's drawing you back ? Do you think that your initial expectations influenced your conclusions first or?

Really curious.

It may not be to your liking but i guess only one way to know for sure %100000.

 

I also forget if you tried any different tips at all will have to go reread again.

Good luck


Edited by nick n - 11/14/12 at 12:57pm
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Another go at them?

 

I hope you don't get " choked " at them again. What is it that's drawing you back ? Do you think that your initial expectations influenced your conclusions first or?

Really curious.

It may not be to your liking but i guess only one way to know for sure %100000.

 

I also forget if you tried any different tips at all will have to go reread again.

Good luck

 

I don't think it's either. I had great expectations going into it, especially since flysweep (whose ears I trust) seems to like them so much. Furthermore, I went at them with this many tips (minus the 4ai).

 

1000

 

 

 

Still, I don't want to fully dismiss them without another go like I did with the TF10.

 

Hopefully I'll have them by the weekend.

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You may have answered this already eke, but what amp/source did you use and what tips were you using?  The way you describe the sound is how they sounded to me with the stock tips that came and any other silicone type tips I used.  The comply's and an amp completely changed the sound for the better for me.  They are fiddly sons of b's.
 

post #681 of 1259

zach915m  i have some comply 500's coming what did you use again?

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You may have answered this already eke, but what amp/source did you use and what tips were you using?  The way you describe the sound is how they sounded to me with the stock tips that came and any other silicone type tips I used.  The comply's and an amp completely changed the sound for the better for me.  They are fiddly sons of b's.
 

 

I settled on the sony MH1C tips, and I ran it through my Fiio E10

post #683 of 1259

You know I'm not exactly a fan of V or U-shaped sound (as I said, I love/d the R50) so H100 is more an exception than a rule in my case.

 

That said, right now I'm using my DIY foam tips which flatten the frequency response a lot. The borders are still raised somewhat, but the sound could be called 'almost neutral' now. The mids came forward and now I enjoy listening to female vocals as well. The bass is not prominent at all, although it's a tiny bit bloated, but I can live with that. If anything, it's the treble extension and instrument separation that makes it so engaging. I'm a sucker for instrument separation.

 

Ah yeah, and speed. Really if you think about it, R50 is almost top of the line by being a dual BA, but it sounds lazy compared to H100.

 

And I'm not the sort of a guy who does or enjoys product hype...

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Yeah the 500's are what works best as far as Comply's.
 

post #685 of 1259

TDK BA200 is close.

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eke:

 

The h-100 is very coherent in that it seperates the midrange from the bass and highs, none of them leak into each other.  By amping them they become incredibly detailed and clear.  Clarity is at an utmost on these.  With the right tips and insertion/amping these do sound warm enough for me, and I like warmer sound headphones.   The soundstage is quite large, almost as big as the heir 4ai's, and for 130 bucks or whatever that's quite an achievement.  I

do think people enjoy the price to quality ratio on these, as I don't believe there's anything

 

 

even close to the price range that comes close to it.

 

The sound sig may just not be for you...no worries theirs plenty of phones out there.  I do think with burn in and careful attention to amping and insertion they are much more adaptable and eq-able than a lot of people may think.  It might be a slight fuss though if you just want to stick them in your ears and go.  But to me they're more than worth the effort.

 

Lastly I don't think there is anything else out there sub $200 that blends this level of bass response and speed with such clarity.  If there is I'd like to know about it!
 

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Thank you.

 

See, the way I hear it is this:

 

The clarity comes at the expense of the mid-range. It's not the kind of clarity that you'll find in the Etymotic range. Instead, it just eschews everything between the sub-bass and highs, messing up tone of the sound. I've had the 4Ai for the last week, and the H-100 doesn't even come close in any way. 

 

Yes, the mids are recessed, but that's not the cause of the problem. The lower midrange lacks any sort of body (my etymotic hf3 sounds fuller), but the upper mids are shrill, leading to a hollow and nasaly sound that just sounds god-awful on a LOT of tracks.

 

So once again, the clarity and spaciousness comes at the expense of the mids.

 

 

Still, I'm in talks to buy another pair. I'm going to give them another go.

 

That's exactly why I didn't like them, I've never heard such a thin sounding mid it just made all my music sound like it was coming from a cheap radio or something (excluding the bass as it was good).  It really surprises me how many people like them but to each his own.

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That's exactly why I didn't like them, I've never heard such a thin sounding mid it just made all my music sound like it was coming from a cheap radio or something (excluding the bass as it was good).  It really surprises me how many people like them but to each his own.


This is funny coming from the OP :). But there must be something about it that is drawing many to it. Could be your ears just aren't compatible with the IEM or you are hearing frequencies that others may not be hearing.

post #689 of 1259

4A.i vs H-100 vs GR07 MK2?

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This is funny coming from the OP :). But there must be something about it that is drawing many to it. Could be your ears just aren't compatible with the IEM or you are hearing frequencies that others may not be hearing.

 

I'm not the only one that think the mids are to thin.  I wish I didn't discover them because I would have waited for a lot of impressions and reviews and that might have saved me $179 :).  These were one of the few IEM's at any price point I've heard that I down right didn't like.  I liked the bass but they just didn't sound in sync with the mids and highs and from what I've heard that's how some of the other hybrids sound also so I guess they have a problem with 

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