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post #136 of 1258

I got mine today and here's some quick thoughts juts based on an hour of listening.  Maybe this has been answered already but I'm guessing these will respond well to some burn in?  Has there been a perceived difference after 50 hrs or so? 

 

Bass:  Tight and punchy and responds well to EQ.  It doesn't blend into the other frequencies at all and is really really nice,

 

Mids: Do seem to take a bit of a backseat, I think this may have more to do with a slight spike in some of the treble frequencies, for some mmusic they are beautiful but on songs where mid range isn't largely prevalent they do sound slightly recessed.  When comparing the same song on my RE262's an immediate difference is heard in placement of vocals. 

 

Treble:  I do notice a slight spike, and before EQ'ing a little it does cause a little sibilance for me.  I will say that when I put the comply 400 tips on it helped a lot, but it's still noticeable to me at times.  It is super slight and not a deal breaker and I'm wondering with slight burn ion if they'll just disappear.

 

Imaging and soundstage do seem to be excellent.  Compared to the RE262 which are nicely 3D but forward with their vocals the H100's seem to sound quite a bit larger and more expansive.  Will give some more impressions later but so far I'm pretty happy with them, I think if the sound settles in a little after burn-in they'll be absolutely fantastic. 
 

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post #137 of 1258

I don't find that the mids of the H-100 in general are too recessed, granted vs. the RE262 and the B2/R-50 at a lesser degree. RE262 is almost an extreme mid range focused IEM and a very different IEM I mean this in a good way, but maybe not a perfect choice to compare to the H-100. 

 

The TF10 I would call recessed and a very recessed one indeed. The mid range of the H-100 I find to be much less recessed than the TF10. 

 

The bass presentation of the H-100 may be some of the best I have heard (extension, fullness added decent speed)  and the treble exhibits excellent extension without exploding in my ears. The Mids are their weakest  point, but that often comes with a mildly U-shaped sound signature.  

 

Clarity and airiness are excellent keywords.

 

Finally, out of the box I wasn't too pleased with them, maybe because I came straight from the RE 262, but running them for a x amount of hours seems to change them a bit. Using them for my fifth day without interference..

post #138 of 1258
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The bass presentation of the H-100 may be some of the best I have heard (extension, fullness added decent speed)  and the treble exhibits excellent extension without exploding in my ears. The Mids are their weakest  point, but that often comes with a mildly U-shaped sound signature.  

 

Finally, out of the box I wasn't too pleased with them, maybe because I came straight from the RE 262, but running them for a x amount of hours seems to change them a bit. Using them for my fifth day without interference..

 

Yes it certainly doesn't "explode" with sibilance or any kind of super harsh treble, for me it's a touch of an unwanted edge that shows up every so often, it almost feels as if it disappears a little every time I listen to them as they are burning in so I'm hoping in a couple days it'll be gone.

 

I do agree that the RE-262 is almost completely opposite in signature, I also compared them with my Westone 4 a bit which is has somewhat more in common with but is still quite different from.  I'm not going to make any better or worse than comparison's, but the impact of the bass is certainly different from the Westone's in a good way, and that's not to say the 4's don't have a wonderful sounding bass, but to me it does seem nice to have that amount of impact combined with the clarity and "airiness" (it is a good word) that the peos has. 

 

Will do more comparison between it and the 4 as they burn in and I can go back and forth with a few tunes.

post #139 of 1258
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Originally Posted by zach915m View Post

 

Yes it certainly doesn't "explode" with sibilance or any kind of super harsh treble, for me it's a touch of an unwanted edge that shows up every so often, it almost feels as if it disappears a little every time I listen to them as they are burning in so I'm hoping in a couple days it'll be gone.

 

I do agree that the RE-262 is almost completely opposite in signature, I also compared them with my Westone 4 a bit which is has somewhat more in common with but is still quite different from.  I'm not going to make any better or worse than comparison's, but the impact of the bass is certainly different from the Westone's in a good way, and that's not to say the 4's don't have a wonderful sounding bass, but to me it does seem nice to have that amount of impact combined with the clarity and "airiness" (it is a good word) that the peos has. 

 

Will do more comparison between it and the 4 as they burn in and I can go back and forth with a few tunes.

 

I have noticed the treble edge you're talking about. I would describe it as a borderline experience, pretty much like a sneeze that's about to take place and then it doesn't happen, except with a sneeze you very much want it to happen :-).  To finish my analogy with the T-Peos it seems like with certain bright recordings they are on the verge of hitting that troublesome treble edge, but then it doesn't happen, most of the times..

 

Regarding harshness. I did noticed it initially particular with certain female vocalist as for instance Kate Bush and Dolores O' Riordan (The Cranberries) where their upper range sounded harsh or just plain off. Maybe from the upper mid range peak that is a bit overcooked. Now, I believe it has settled a bit when I was listening to the same recordings today, surely not as annoying and much more pleasant than the first day or 20-30 minutes, so maybe you will experience something similar after a few days of use.

post #140 of 1258
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After the first hour or so I was about to give up on them as I really didn't like the way the mids sounded and the treble like some have said can sound harsh without being to harsh if that makes any sense.  I listen through a few other pmp's and from my Sony along with the E6 amp they sound quite good now, the mids have a bit more presence with the E6 on EQ2 and the highs aren't as harsh sounding now, they sound a lot more balanced over all.  I'm glad I've kept most of my mp3 players because an IEM that sounds a bit off on one can sound much better from another.  They're starting to grow on me more so I'm going to keep listening to them over the next few days to see how they improve.

post #141 of 1258

As posted earlier in this thread by others. I do agree that the T-Peos can be very revealing and critical towards what they are exposed too. Not necessarily with everything that's brickwalled, but I have so far experienced that recordings that leans toward being bright and somewhat aggressive in the treble region may not be a unique combo with the T-Peos.

 

I had to dig really deep into my album collection, but albums those I found so far sounds really great, maybe better than I have heard from any IEM before.  Although this places the T-Peos as a unit being not so versatile as I hoped for. A similar statement can be said for many other IEM's :-) 


Edited by Jupiterknight - 10/22/12 at 9:55pm
post #142 of 1258

Coming from the RE262.. practically any neutral-sounding phone will sound like it has a recessed midrange.. the GR07 MKII is a great example of that.. and no one would consider the GR07 v- or u-shaped in fq response.  The RE262 is one of my favorite IEMs.. I had it for quite some time, am plenty familiar with it's signature, and have commented on it plenty.  I have also owned many neutral-sounding IEMs & headphones.  IME, the H-100's midrange is not recessed in any way.  People often confuse v-shaped with u-shaped curves.. the H-100's midrange is positioned well, IMO.. it's not forward.. nor recessed.  Many of us are used to listening to mid-forward or aggressive phones (i.e. the RE262 & DBA/R50/B2, etc.).  I also detest phones with a v-shaped fq curve.. so much of the foundation of music and sounds originate in the midrange.. to have that region recessed does not please me one bit.. so if the H-100's midrange was recessed.. they wouldn't be in my possession very long.

 

After using my H-100 for who knows how many hours.. I've found the mids to nicely balance with the treble and bass.  The midbass fills in nicely (which makes me think it's handled by the dynamic driver).. as I've said before, amp them with something neutral and you'll hear just how linear the H-100 can sound.

post #143 of 1258
Well, just to reiterate what zach915m, Jupiterknight, Techno Kid and flysweep said biggrin.gif
I still think it depends on the source for H-100. I still find them horrible on the O2 amp/ext DAC (harsh highs, preceivably recessed lower mids and harsh upper mids). borderline pleasing on Cowon d2. and very nice on Clip+ biggrin.gif (balanced as you describe it biggrin.gif )


>Coming from the RE262.. practically any neutral-sounding phone will sound like it has a recessed midrange.

yup, and same goes for UM miracle, mage and/or merlin which is the case for me biggrin.gif .
post #144 of 1258

My opinion changed a bit about these, because I found other tri-flange tips that give better results and because I work at a noisy place and my ears need some rest sometimes.


Bass have some impact, are tight and deep. Mids are a little recessed, it's not so bad with vocals, female voices sound great, but sometimes I feel some instruments can be distant. Highs are well controled, I had some edgy piano notes just once, they're not harsh as they were in the beginning and they're crisp and clear. Image is good, instrument separation is great, soundstage is good, but feel more 2D than 3D, I expected more depth.

 

Looking at the Goldenears impedance chart, I see it goes below 10 ohms between 5 and 9 KHz, I wonder if these H-100 can match any source.

post #145 of 1258

I listened briefly this morning after 12 hrs of burn:

 

The sharpness has receded just a tad, I notice reverb entrenched in the recording on these iem's more than any other I've tried.  I think this can be attributed to the slight spike in treble at a certain frequency.  At times it sounds beautiful and sometimes it sounds unnatural to me.   It is lessening though. 

 

I have noticed that through my E7 it actually pushes the earphone in somewhat unpleasant direction, so the ideas about what source being important to these phones is valid for sure.  It sounds best to me just out of my sony walkman mp3 player.  It would be nice to have more eq then the 5 frequencies I get on there, would probably help this earbud. 

 

The phone does have great timbre though, unlike anything I've heard, I do find it somewhat 3d, but that may partially be the reverb I hear in tracks that have it instead of true placement.
 


Edited by zach915m - 10/23/12 at 12:32pm
post #146 of 1258

I'm also thinking about H100. With R50 on its way for outside use, something good for inside would be nice. A hybrid is quite tempting. And I like wooden boxes heh.

 

Techno-Kid and the rest of  ya who also have R50, what are you listening on? I'm mostly interested in your R50 vs H100 comparison, but one being a dual BA and the other being a hybrid, I bet the source can make a massive difference. I wonder if that comparison even reverse completely on another source.


Edited by PMAP - 10/23/12 at 9:11pm
post #147 of 1258

Actually nothing except the green colored item has  2green and 2black rings on the body, it's called h-100rg 

There are 2 kinds of models in the h-100, h-100r and h-100k. h-100r has 4 rings on the middle of the cylinderical body and

h-100rg is composed 2black rings and 2green rings and h-100rr is composed 2 black rings and 2red rings.

h-100k has a knurling pattern in front of the body and has a ring in the middle of the body,

it's called h-100kr has a red ring and called h-100kg has a gold ring.

They are only different on an exterior view but have a same characteristics. 

It is really a matter for regrett as it can't post the images because of an error. 

post #148 of 1258

You only said a good point, but isn't it bad things ?

post #149 of 1258
Wow! My shipment is already showing it's in Sydney at the delivery office. It only left Korea on the 22nd, today the 24th. cool.gif

With some luck they may be here tomorrow, if so that is a total world record from Korea to Australia for me!
post #150 of 1258

So I blasted them for the last 14 hrs at top volume on my MP3 player.  I think I'm going to buy a CLIP and put rockbox on it so I can EQ these more.  Playing them with the treble EQ'd to the top did help lessen them a little. 

 

Are you guys using these eq'd or un eq'd?  I ran mine through my fiio e7 but maybe that's not a good enough source?

 

Basically these are amazing iem's, the bass impact so far is perfect and doesn't leak into the rest of the mix at all, the mids are not forward to recessed, very even, and the highs are a little sharp for me only every once in a while.  But when they don't bite that tiny bit they are so clear and fascinating to listen to.  I'm trying to figure out how to tame them just a tiny bit more, as I lack the ability on my mp3 player hence the order of the Sansa.

 

As pointed out by others the treble thing is slight and only really comes out with Violins and certain female vocals.

 

I did A/B some with my Westone 4, and I have to say that some people may like these more depending on taste.  Personally I like the slightly forward mids and the presentation of the Westone a little more, but they are such different phones that it's not worth comparing too much. 

 

I did have my fiancee try the 4's and h100 back to back and when I asked her which she liked better and why she's said the 4's.  I had Crooked Still's version of Shady Grove on and she said she liked the 4's a little better because she felt like she was more "in the singer's mouth."  Which to me meant probably she liked the mid-range boost on the westones.

 

Any thoughts guys?  What's the best source again for these?  Have you guys been eq'ing these at all?  I know someone mentioned using a mid boost on their fiio amp, I have also done that and like what it does.
 


Edited by zach915m - 10/24/12 at 10:12am
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