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post #91 of 270
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

So does the 009 put "warm, lush, romantic" into the listing vocabulary? Because those characteristics seem to be minimized in most descriptions of the Stax sound that I have read.

 

If not and the 009 emphasis is more on transparency and detail, would the 007 be a more lush romantic sound or would it be some other Stax model?

 

The SR-009 is going to give you whatever is in the recording, so unless the recording itself is warm, lush, and romantic, then no. Alternatively you can pair it with a more romantic amp like the Aristaeus / HEV90 or try tube rolling with the Electra or something along those lines.

 

However if you want "warm, lush, romantic" from a stat, the Sennheiser HE90 is the reigning champ.

 

 


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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Biggest reason I didn't like the previous Stax I'd heard. As soon as I felt that thump with the 009s I knew I had to have it.

 

 

For me, bass per se was never a problem with stats. People would say they lacked bass, but I for one couldn't hear what they were on about. I realized the problem, for me, was an overall lack of weight to the sound. Bass impact ("slam") is part of it, but I found it wasn't just bass; it was the overall sense of solidity and grounding, the sense of mass that their sound carried.

 

I'm speaking in the past tense here, because I discovered this was largely a function of the rest of the audio chain. Stats by their very nature need a lot of juice. The SR-007 actually has plenty of bass, it's just on an inadequate amp it's going to sound bloated and lack weight, like being hit over the head with a bed comforter. With a better amp, the bass tightens up considerably and the overall sound gains depth and solidity. It's an appreciable difference for me.

 

I realize there's a tremendous amount of suspicion with regard to just how much of an impact amps play, but when it comes to stats that impact is huge in my experience just because of the nature of the drivers.

 

Of course, with the exception of the HeAudio Jade, stats are never going to be on the level of something like the LCD-3 when it comes to weightiness. Given my preferences these days, that's a good thing for me personally.

post #92 of 270
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Originally Posted by BoxBoxBox View Post

With the expense of SR009/amp, would you sell all your components/headphones and just end up with one? Or is there still enough variety in sound that it is worth holding onto other headphones/amps/combos? I am trying to figure out if I should save money for a few months to get the Stax set-up or just sell all my equipment to fund it. 

No. Lovehagen said it best:
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Originally Posted by Loevhagen View Post

Variance is bliss.

So even if you go out and create the "perfect" headphone (and there are a number of cans that've been labeled as such over the years), it still can't be all things for all people, all of the time. And of course, even if you did create a headphone (or whatever magillicuddy) that could do that - you'll always have someone insisting that you should keep right on "biggering" it (what I mean is: how many HD 650 threads, for example, end with "wow these are so perfect, but just add this special cable, special amp, special source, special stand, special storage case, special rock, special vibration reduction stand, special mod, yadda yadda and they become that extra 2% better!!"). Just the nature of the beast.

I think the easier answer to BoxBoxBox's question is to follow Radio_head's advice - try before you buy. Find out of it's something you want, need, or what have you. And if it is, then work towards it. But there's always the chance you'll hear them, and go "pfft, $texas for this? I like [whatever] better than this!" - in which case, get [whatever] and go on your merry way. If that makes sense. And this isn't just about the SR-009, it's about audio in general. It's not about what's best, it's about what's best for you.
post #93 of 270

Pretty generic reply. How much time have you spent with the SR009? I'm sure there are people that would never justify spending > $6K for any audio system, let alone a HP system. Sorry, but after reading this it makes me feel like your one of these people. 

post #94 of 270

I'd never sell all my equipment to be limited to one combination.

post #95 of 270

I would never do that, as my current setup is pretty much worth the same. I would never sell that for a single limited setup, no matter how good it is.

post #96 of 270
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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

I would never do that, as my current setup is pretty much worth the same. I would never sell that for a single limited setup, no matter how good it is.

 

 

Are you saying your current setup is worth the same as a SR009/amp rig?

post #97 of 270
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Are you saying your current setup is worth the same as a SR009/amp rig?

If we are counting my speakers too, it's worth a lot more.

post #98 of 270

This entire thread is making me very anxious. I can't wait to hear Morbid Toaster's 009 setup. Especially compared to my TH900 rig. If it works really well for EDM, I'm sunk. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 10/3/12 at 10:32am
post #99 of 270
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Originally Posted by Golfnutz View Post

Pretty generic reply. How much time have you spent with the SR009? I'm sure there are people that would never justify spending > $6K for any audio system, let alone a HP system. Sorry, but after reading this it makes me feel like your one of these people. 


Is this directed at me?
post #100 of 270
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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

If we are counting my speakers too, it's worth a lot more.

Just headphone rigs we are talking about here, you do realise the sr009 and amp is approx US $10,000?  I've had a look at your current rig and including your other headphones etc.. doesn't come close. Sorry!

post #101 of 270
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

This entire thread is making me very anxious. I can't wait to hear Morbid Toaster's 009 setup. Especially compared to my TH900 rig. If it works really well for EDM, I'm sunk. 

Oh don't worry, you're sunk. biggrin.gif
post #102 of 270

Thanks for the reply, MuppetFace. Do you think that the 007 is warmer than the 009? From the impressions I have read it has more midbass and a slight roll-off up top so I would think so.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

I would never do that, as my current setup is pretty much worth the same. I would never sell that for a single limited setup, no matter how good it is.

 

I could see doing it someday as an endgame thing, but I would rather just add it on as my new DAC has an extra unused set of RCA outs. But I think the point is that the SR009/LL type of combo is supposed to be more like unlimited, and for economic and space reasons I could see dumping everything someday, as it would be advantageous to simplify at some point as well. If I were to sell everything except my sources, I would be able to afford it. But for now I am not interested, I am having too much fun with my current system.

 

I have no doubts that a well-executed 009 system would be unbelievable, but remain unconvinced that I would benefit from having "the very best" there is. I wonder if we put too much stock into what's best at the flagship level, when in actuality these are just differences and preferences, and not necessarily improvements.

 

But I am about to get a taste of Stax for the first time (first electrostatic experience), so we shall wee...

 

Hehe, that was an honest typo, perhaps a Freudian slip so I will leave it smile.gif

post #103 of 270

I feel that 70% of the fun in being an audiophile is getting a new piece of equipment. It feels like christmas when I get new headphone/cable/amp/DAC in the mail. I get a lot of enjoyment out of the wait and anticipation. I will never have an "endgame rig" as I find most enjoyment in getting and trying new things.

 

I would rather have my LCD-2 and keep buying and experimenting with new amps, cables and DAC's than a SR009+amp and that's it forever.

 

I see it as kind of like building a PC yourself and then keep adding to it and modding/upgrading it vs. getting an amazing prebuilt that you can not ever change.

 

Even if the prebuilt has better specs, I will not get as much enjoyment out of it as I would with building one myself.

post #104 of 270
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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

I feel that 70% of the fun in being an audiophile is getting a new piece of equipment. It feels like christmas when I get new headphone/cable/amp/DAC in the mail. I get a lot of enjoyment out of the wait and anticipation. I will never have an "endgame rig" as I find most enjoyment in getting and trying new things.

I would rather have my LCD-2 and keep buying and experimenting with new amps, cables and DAC's than a SR009+amp and that's it forever.

I see it as kind of like building a PC yourself and then keep adding to it and modding/upgrading it vs. getting an amazing prebuilt that you can not ever change.

Even if the prebuilt has better specs, I will not get as much enjoyment out of it as I would with building one myself.

While I agree to a point I get a lot more pleasure in new music rather than new gear at this point. I would much rather drop 5k on LPs and CDs than another pair of 009s or other gear.

And even with a headphone and amp endgame you have sources, cables, and other tweaks (carts, isolation, phono pres, etc) to fiddle with. More than enough to keep even the deepest pockets busy.
post #105 of 270
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

My rather verbose two cents, for whatever that's actually worth.

 

I currently own over 200 pairs of headphones and earphones along with 15 different amps. If I could only own a single rig however, it would be a Stax flagship (SR-Omega, SR-007, or SR-009) and a high-end stat amp (DIYT2, BHSE, LL, or Electra). No question in my mind.

 

I've always approached this hobby from the mindset of a collector and archivist. To that end, the headphones themselves have been the object of my desire, both as a cultural artifact (their design, their context) and as different means of exploring music due to their various colorations.

 

If I were to have a single rig on the other hand, I would approach it from a completely different paradigm. The headphone I'd choose would be the one I felt best fulfilled its role as a headphone, not a cultural or personal artifact. For me this means the headphone that transmits music while not transmitting itself as much as possible, ie. the headphone that best gets out of the way and disappears (this includes wear comfort), the metaphoric window onto a recording. This isn't just a matter of frequency response however, but also listening involvement and spatial reproduction which can be highly personal factors. The Stax flagships when properly driven by a capable amp are the closest I've come to this through a pair of headphones as the vector.

 

While I personally think neutrality is a good thing, my definition of transparency has changed a bit over time. It's not necessarily a matter of neutrality, but rather it's defined in a negative sense by a lack of distraction. That's what I mean by "gets out of the way" ultimately. For some people, a neutral headphone might make its presence fully known by virtue of the fact that it's not making its presence know. Think deafening silence. A lack of coloration thus becomes a coloration. I think when one starts listening to the music and hearing past the headphones, then one has reached a state of transparency. In other words, for me transparency isn't so much an attribute as it is a process. One can listen past a pair of $20 earbuds and experience the music itself more than someone using music as a tool to feed a pair of $2k headphones. I don't think there's anything wrong with the latter however; it's merely a different set of needs and priorities.

 

For me personally, the SR-Omega, SR-007, and SR-009 have the least wrong with them and are thus the least distracting for me the most consistently. I can still enjoy music using a $20 pair of earbuds, but it's extremely circumstantial and takes a lot of effort. It's a classic case of ignorance accommodating bliss.

 

As an aside, I think there's a tendency for some head-fiers to fixate upon the "magical" quality of music. When we take part in head-fi, we enter into a symbolic order of established terminology and norms, and we're granted a language to use in speaking about our experiences and an audience for doing so. The catch is that we must distance ourselves from the immediacy of that experience to speak intelligibly about it. Our primordial enjoyment is now subjugated and contained within the order of audiophile culture. There is however a remainder left over, as it can't completely incapsulate that experience. It's felt in the discrepancies between impressions, the inadequacy of certain terms, confusion, etc.  I think on a certain level head-fiers desire to reclaim this, to recreate this pseudo-magical experience, and so they constantly chase one new product after another in an attempt to fill that void they feel, however as soon as they reach a new product---be it a new flagship IEM or miracle DAC---they discover that it's not quite "it" and so they move on to the next one. Desire is only desire insofar as it remains unfulfilled. Audiophile culture largely creates that desire with the promise of a headphone (or any other device) that truly captures the experience one longs for, truly gives the user that unbound primordial enjoyment and sense of satisfaction. Of course such a product doesn't exist, nor will it. But that's not the point. I think we know this on some level, yet we go along with it anyway, placing value in "the journey" so as to maintain our sense of order and purpose within this hobby. It's not necessarily a bad thing in that sense.

 

However I think this is perhaps the biggest obstacle for some people in having just one rig.

 

What a post.  I can really identify with this.  

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