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post #61 of 270
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

So Asr, I've been reading and enjoying your great posts all these years, so thanks, but am I reading you right that you have no systems with dynamic phones anymore?

Just curious.

I say this because IMHO dynamics have taken a revolutionary step to greatness in the last few years, where even 5 years ago only maybe R10s were superb.

I absolutely love my LCD3s, TH900s, and feel almost the same with a good portion of my music with HD800s, and these are leagues ahead to my ears

than anything say, 5 years ago. (Personally, I actually like all of these more than my former R10s, which I sold as not worth it with the new generation of phones.)

I beg to differ b/c I still think the R10 is still quite superb though it might not be worth it to some due to its high price.  IMO, not even Orpheus system & SR009 out of DIY T2 can replicate some of the finest qualities that the R10 is capable off.  Not all R10 are equaled though and you purchased MarkL's wasn't it?  He actually preferred his modded Denon to it.  Have you compared your bass light pair to other pairs?  In my setup, my R10 and even the Qualia continue to outclass the balanced Senn HD-800 in a direct comparison.  I must admit that I have yet to audition the LCD3 & TH900 though, but my R10 (and those who auditioned it) is more than holding its own against the the HD-800 as well as the higher ends electrostat systems.  Just my 2 cents.smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by purk - 10/2/12 at 10:02am
post #62 of 270
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

 

Wouldn't offensive be more appropriate?

Smartass. tongue_smile.gif

post #63 of 270

No doubt it would be nice to have the best, also knowing that you have best.  My problem, is that I like to change my equipment round a lot, its part of the fun! Even if I was content for a while with the best, the urge for me to try something different would always be there... I have two rigs a the mo, but I'm constantly changing them around just purely for change and I look forward to examining the changes in sound etc. Also my sources are still in the mid price bracket and so being able to afford to experiment with different dacs and amps etc is easier than it would be if I was at the top of sumit-fi.

 

I'd like to try the Stax dream for a while, but I think I'd prefer to have an LCD3 and a lower Stax model instead.  

post #64 of 270
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Originally Posted by purk View Post

I beg to differ b/c I still think the R10 is still quite superb though it might not be worth it to some due to its high price.  IMO, not even Orpheus system & SR009 out of DIY T2 can replicate some of the finest qualities that the R10 is capable off.  Not all R10 are equaled though and you purchased MarkL's wasn't it?  He actually preferred his modded Denon to it.  Have you compared your bass light pair to other pairs?  In my setup, my R10 and even the Qualia continue to outclass the balanced Senn HD-800 in a direct comparison.  I must admit that I have yet to audition the LCD3 & TH900 though, but my R10 (and those who auditioned it) is more than holding its own against the the HD-800 as well as the higher ends electrostat systems.  Just my 2 cents.smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks purk. I actually had 3 pairs of R10s (all bass lights, now sold). And yes, the HD800s can sound a little "hashy" in the high frequencies with some recordings, and the R10s are smooth as silk.

My R10 impressions are a composite of all 3 pairs. (I never had the privilege of hearing a bass-heavy pair, so I cannot comment on those.)

Never heard the Qualia either (I would be interested in your impressions of these.)

 

But I feel the Audeze and Fostex phones are glorious, the former more relaxing and laid back and balanced top-to-bottom, the latter more exciting with the paradoxical combinations of

very strong but not bloated upper bass and also strong and intense but still sweet/smooth/non-painful highs. Both are awesome and groundbreaking and often I will listen to a disc with one set of phones then the other and marvel at the very different but equally musical and enjoyable interpretations of reality. (I kind of don't believe in the concept of Absolute Sound anymore.)

 

But all phones have their strengths, and I feel the R10 did layering of listening planes, microscopically precise image shaping, sizing and boundaries like no other, and I do miss that.

It was a real trip to hear that.

The R10s did this a lot better than even the Stax 009s do (and based on a long ago audition, even the Orpheus).

 

I think, in the speaker world, Wilson speakers perform this kind of magical imaging and musical component separation, with each entity clearly in its own space. (Wilsons have other issues though.)

So point taken. Thanks again.


Edited by rgs9200m - 10/2/12 at 10:44am
post #65 of 270

I think that this is what's got me off of my old way of thinking as far as Head-fi is concerned.

 

So many people said that the 009 was the best headphone out there and I didn't believe them until I heard it for myself. Once I did though there was no way I couldn't end up owning one. It would tug at my brain the entire time the HD800s were on my head if I didn't just go for the 009s.

 

I'm now confident that I have the best and while I still think about other dynamic cans and amps they're not high on the priority list right now because I know that the best they could be still won't be as good as what I have.

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

No doubt it would be nice to have the best, also knowing that you have best.  My problem, is that I like to change my equipment round a lot, its part of the fun! Even if I was content for a while with the best, the urge for me to try something different would always be there... I have two rigs a the mo, but I'm constantly changing them around just purely for change and I look forward to examining the changes in sound etc. Also my sources are still in the mid price bracket and so being able to afford to experiment with different dacs and amps etc is easier than it would be if I was at the top of sumit-fi.

 

I'd like to try the Stax dream for a while, but I think I'd prefer to have an LCD3 and a lower Stax model instead.  

post #66 of 270
I find that high-end 'stat setups sort of violate the rule of diminishing returns. They give you something that other setups don't - really incredible levels of transparency. I haven't heard anything that reveals upstream components to quite the same extent, that shows up differences in recordings in the same way, or conveys microdetail with the same effortless ease. If you look at individual aspects of sound, other systems can get fairly close in any given category, but there's a completeness about high-end 'stats, an effortless musicality to their sound, that once you hear in a system and learn to appreciate, you really can't get anywhere else (in headphones). It's not a minor difference either.

Which means that yes, as someone that essentially did go from a lot of various headphones to a single TOTL Stax setup, it's absolutely worth it and is one of the few things that I think are actually worth it in this hobby. If I could do it over again I'd go straight here, but then again if I had done that I may not have appreciated it in the same way.

Also, when you're dealing with this level of transparency system tuning becomes paramount, and you really cannot afford to take any shortcuts anywhere, or you will clearly hear them.

Naturally, if you don't put the same emphasis on transparency in your listening preferences, your mileage may vary.
Edited by catscratch - 10/2/12 at 2:41pm
post #67 of 270

catscratch i agree with you nearly completely. There is just something that they can do, that other headphones dont. a certain magic they have. though my problem until the 009s came out was that they were too polite, they had no impact, particularly in the bass. But the 009s have that too, nearly a perfect headphone imo

post #68 of 270

Biggest reason I didn't like the previous Stax I'd heard. As soon as I felt that thump with the 009s I knew I had to have it.

 

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catscratch i agree with you nearly completely. There is just something that they can do, that other headphones dont. a certain magic they have. though my problem until the 009s came out was that they were too polite, they had no impact, particularly in the bass. But the 009s have that too, nearly a perfect headphone imo

post #69 of 270
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Biggest reason I didn't like the previous Stax I'd heard. As soon as I felt that thump with the 009s I knew I had to have it.

 

 

Exactly, i can remember the exact moment when i put the 009s on the for the first time at ChiUniFi. i went in thinkign i wasnt going to like them, that they were going to be like the 007s in that regard. But as soon as i started my first track, it was Carbonized in Cruciform by The Black Dahlia Murder, and i heard that impact, particularly in the bass, i just got a **** eating grin on my face. I took off the headphones for a moment...looked at jude, and was just like "these are amazing" then i put them back on and listened for another like 45 minutes.

 

The problem was that was the beginning of the meet, which made the rest of it rather anticlimactic, since i knew i had to have the 009s

post #70 of 270

Not to get too far off topic but the first bass just dropped in my newly acquired ISAM Live (Amon Tobin) CD and it reminds me how fantastic the bass is on these things.

 

I kind of had the same reaction when my girlfriend was in the room and I put them on for the first time. I just heard it, took them off, and said 'I'm buying these, just heads up.'

 

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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

Exactly, i can remember the exact moment when i put the 009s on the for the first time at ChiUniFi. i went in thinkign i wasnt going to like them, that they were going to be like the 007s in that regard. But as soon as i started my first track, it was Carbonized in Cruciform by The Black Dahlia Murder, and i heard that impact, particularly in the bass, i just got a **** eating grin on my face. I took off the headphones for a moment...looked at jude, and was just like "these are amazing" then i put them back on and listened for another like 45 minutes.

 

The problem was that was the beginning of the meet, which made the rest of it rather anticlimactic, since i knew i had to have the 009s

post #71 of 270

A $3,000 HE6 system can challenge a $10,000 Stax system and even surpass it on a few levels.

 

At least that's what I keep telling myself tongue.gif

post #72 of 270

Yeah I thought a 5k HD800 / LCD 2.2 system could, too. 

 

I was very...very wrong.

 

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A $3,000 HE6 system can challenge a $10,000 Stax system and even surpass it on a few levels.

 

At least that's what I keep telling myself tongue.gif

post #73 of 270
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Yeah I thought a 5k HD800 / LCD 2.2 system could, too. 

 

I was very...very wrong.

 

And my stax rig is only gonna just over 7 grand. Anedio D2, DIYd KGSSHV, and then ill be waiting to buy the 009s till Elusive disc has one of their sales. So the stax rig isnt something thats just stupidly expensive compared to others.

post #74 of 270
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

A $3,000 HE6 system can challenge a $10,000 Stax system and even surpass it on a few levels.

 

At least that's what I keep telling myself tongue.gif

 

IMHO a really good pure Class A  HE-6 rig may beat:

 

A 007 rig - maybe (yes).  But a 009 rig.  I have to say so myself (No) and I'm an HE-6 guy all the way.   

post #75 of 270
Catscratch, amazing post, so well stated.
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