Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Stage Monitor Shootout: SM3 v2 (defiltered) vs UM3x RC
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Stage Monitor Shootout: SM3 v2 (defiltered) vs UM3x RC - Page 2

post #16 of 30
Thread Starter 

Well it's more the presentation that is analytical than the sound signature. It puts everything up front where you can hear individual instruments and notes very easily; that is what I mean when I call the UM3X "analytical." It doesn't have what is usually thought of as an "analytical" sound, by which most people mean bright or treble-tilted, but the UM3X is definitely a very analytical sounding IEM because it almost forces you to "analyze" the music by separating every sound and placing them all very up-front, and you can really hear it when you compare it to something like the SM3, which is much more musical and natural. It's like comparing a furniture showroom (UM3X), where you "analyze" and compare the furniture, to a properly furnished living room (SM3), where you enjoy the furniture in its natural, intended environment. In this sense, the UM3X allows you to hear all sounds equally, but it really isn't natural sounding or truly realistic in its presentation, which is where the SM3 really shines, as long as you can tolerate its occasionally excessive intimacy.

 

I wouldn't call the UM3X's bass "boosted," personally; I think its very natural and even with the mids, despite what the graphs show. I think it has more body to it than the SM3, which has a slightly punchier bass presentation.  The thing that gives the UM3X its darkness, and what some might confuse with warmth, is the dim treble. Also despite having laid back treble, the tonality of its midrange is very neutral, and less warm and lush than the SM3s; this is another factor that contributes to what I call its analytical nature, and makes it a great monitor and reference tool.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post
 

UM3X does great at instrument separation, I agree. I'm still hesitant to call it analytical though, due to the bass boost and laid back treble. Perhaps I just have a different understanding of what you guys mean by analytical.


Edited by Gilly87 - 11/14/13 at 9:30am
post #17 of 30

Alot of good reading between the 2. there doesnt seem to be alot of reviews on the sm3v2 out there. and alot of ppl do compare the sm3v2 to the um3x.

post #18 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post
 

UM3X does great at instrument separation, I agree. I'm still hesitant to call it analytical though, due to the bass boost and laid back treble. Perhaps I just have a different understanding of what you guys mean by analytical.

I think "analytical" is usually associated with extreme clarity and detail.   I would NOT put UM3X in this category at least from an extreme standpoint.  I would say ER4 is the textbook analytical IEM.

 

The UM3X is slightly boosted in the midrange and bass versus midrange and treble so it is less fatiguing PLUS it gives better representative feedback of drums and percussion for the artist wearing the IEM.

 

I would also say that a forward midrange doesn't shrink the soundstage and that the UM3X closed in soundstage is NOT because of it's forward midrange.  It's designed this way on purpose because it's a monitor.  SE535 and GR10 are two mid-centric IEM's I have had that DO have a nice and open soundstage so it can be done.


Edited by Spyro - 11/14/13 at 2:20pm
post #19 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 

Alot of good reading between the 2. there doesnt seem to be alot of reviews on the sm3v2 out there. and alot of ppl do compare the sm3v2 to the um3x.

 

actually, when i was making my choice in purchasing either a 3 or 4 BA IEM, my finalists where these 2 - i was auditioning an SM64, 4r, sm3v2 and um3x....in the end i chose the sm3v2 because i love it's soundstage and more pronounced mids. now that keeps me wondering, and now i have budget for it - if i should get the um3x too!

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

I think "analytical" is usually associated with extreme clarity and detail.   I would NOT put UM3X in this category at least from an extreme standpoint.  I would say ER4 is the textbook analytical IEM.

 

for me, my only comparison for an "analytical" sounding IEM is a GR01...and imo, it's quite fatiguing to listen to over time - that's why i sold them.


Edited by karloil - 11/14/13 at 5:08pm
post #20 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by karloil View Post
 

 

actually, when i was making my choice in purchasing either a 3 or 4 BA IEM, my finalists where these 2 - i was auditioning an SM64, 4r, sm3v2 and um3x....in the end i chose the sm3v2 because i love it's soundstage and more pronounced mids. now that keeps me wondering, and now i have budget for it - if i should get the um3x too!

 

 

for me, my only comparison for an "analytical" sounding IEM is a GR01...and imo, it's quite fatiguing to listen to over time - that's why i sold them.

lol getting sucked in, i bought the w4r, then had the budget for the se535, then i had the budget for the UEtf10 (my fav iems for the price).......it will never end lol.

post #21 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 

lol getting sucked in, i bought the w4r, then had the budget for the se535, then i had the budget for the UEtf10 (my fav iems for the price).......it will never end lol.

Wait until you get to customs :P

post #22 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Wait until you get to customs :P

thought about going customs too, but just thinking of waiting for them and the hassle of a refit (if needed) simply isn't acceptable to me
post #23 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
 

Wait until you get to customs :P

nah, i am  happy with universals, im actually more interested in universal style tips like the UM56 or the sensaphonsics tips for the se535..i may take the plunge for those but for either your looking at 150.00 plus molds so well over 200.00 for tips...but would be nice to have a custom tip to trade between the w4r and se535

post #24 of 30

Karloil, was there a reason why you chose the SM3v2 over the SM64's that you were demoing, even though the later is (technically) more proficient? I am mainly an Electronica music listener, not dubstep, but mainly downtempo house kinda. And i am about to pull the finger on an SM3, convince me why i shouldnt, and should get something else :P

post #25 of 30

Sorry, i forgot to mention do you feel the need (or do you) run the IEM with and custom cable or amps?

post #26 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post
 

Karloil, was there a reason why you chose the SM3v2 over the SM64's that you were demoing, even though the later is (technically) more proficient?

 

already answered the question - i'm quoting my answer below

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by karloil View Post
 

actually, when i was making my choice in purchasing either a 3 or 4 BA IEM, my finalists where these 2 - i was auditioning an SM64, 4r, sm3v2 and um3x....in the end i chose the sm3v2 because i love it's soundstage and more pronounced mids.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post
 

And i am about to pull the finger on an SM3, convince me why i shouldnt, and should get something else :P

 

i can only mention my opinion on the matter as this hobby is highly subjective and depends on one's hearing. if you have a shop nearby - i think it would be better to audition them 1st - then you can make your decision, and you'll be truly happy of your purchase. but if you don't have a shop to audition items - here's my 2 cents on your choice of genre to listen to - if you really want to listen to details and peaky highs, i believe the sm64 would excel on that - to me, it's too fatiguing to listen to - i really can't enjoy the music. that's why i went with the sm3 as it's more enjoyable to listen to.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post
 

Sorry, i forgot to mention do you feel the need (or do you) run the IEM with and custom cable or amps?

 

yes, i changed the cable and run it through an amp

post #27 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by karloil View Post
 

i love it's soundstage and more pronounced mids

So it IS better than the SM64? wow... i just wasnt sure if i was reading this right. 

Regarding OP's picture he drew illustrating the soundstage: LL 

It gives the impression that the soundstage is really close. Im sure that this isnt the case, but would like clarification :)

 

What amp/cables are you using, and what did it change for you? Im leaning towards the UHA-4 for an amp. 

post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
SM3 comes very close, there is no inner limit like with UM3X and the SM3 actually sounds like it has a center channel; the UM3X simulates this in some ways, but its soundstage is neither as big nor as coherent and realistic as the SM3, and can't depict extreme intimacy quite as well.
post #29 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post
 

So it IS better than the SM64? wow... i just wasnt sure if i was reading this right. 

 

to my ears and liking and to the genre of music that i'm listening to - the sm3 is more suitable to me than the sm64. it will of course depend on one's liking - don't want to start a fire here! :tongue:

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post

 

It gives the impression that the soundstage is really close. Im sure that this isnt the case, but would like clarification :)

 

when i auditioned the sm64, 4r, sm3 and um3x - i immediately heard that the sm64 and 4r were not for me. so i focused on the sm3 and um3x. what triggered my decision to get the sm3 was soundstage. to my ears, the sm3 has more soundstage width than the um3x.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattanus View Post

 

What amp/cables are you using, and what did it change for you? Im leaning towards the UHA-4 for an amp. 


i have 2 cables, lune mk3 and cadence - don't really want to spurge on more expensive cables. mids were a lot smoother and highs where much defined. instrument separation was a bit more evident. i'm using it with a c421 w/ad8620 and pico.

 

do you have a store nearby where you can audition the 2?

post #30 of 30
Hi guys. Has anyone owned the ASG-1.3 and SM3 V2 before and had the chance to compare them? I would like to know how they compare with each other, since the SM3 looks like an interesting IEM for me to get smily_headphones1.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Stage Monitor Shootout: SM3 v2 (defiltered) vs UM3x RC