PS Audio's new DAC - NuWave - Page 7

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Originally Posted by Nick Dangerous 

I'm sticking with the impressions I posted earlier. In my experience the Bifrost, while a good DAC for the money, is not capable of keeping up with the level of performance offered by the NuWave, Gungnir, and Concero.

How does this NuWave compares to the new Uber Bifrost?

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Originally Posted by zackzack 

 

How does this NuWave compares to the new Uber Bifrost?

I don't know how it stacks up against the Bifrost, but I can tell you the NuWave killed the Musical Fidelity M1 DAC (winner of The Absolute Sound magazine’s prestigious Product of the Year!).  I can't even listen to the M1 anymore. :(

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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 

 

I don't know how it stacks up against the Bifrost, but I can tell you the NuWave killed the Musical Fidelity M1 DAC (winner of The Absolute Sound magazine’s prestigious Product of the Year!).  I can't even listen to the M1 anymore. :(

What makes it so special? M1 DAC is a favorite of many folks...

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Originally Posted by zackzack 

What makes it so special? M1 DAC is a favorite of many folks...

I haven't had the chance to hear the M1DAC but If I had to guess I'd probably say just the raw detail the Nuwave pulls out at it's pricepoint.  Not to mention a perceive dynamic boost from the slightly higher than average output voltage.  Though, maybe at the cost a little bit of naturalness when used with it's USB input at least.   I used it primarily with my Concero as a converter to the Coax input.  The Concero with it's linear phase apodizing filter engaged goes a long way in making the presentation more natural while still retaining the excellent detail and dynamics.

I no longer have the Nuwave since I sold it to buy a Burson Soloist, but eventually I'd like to either re-buy it, save some money and pick up a Bifrost Uber, or possibly the Rumored Burson DAC based on Conductor DAC section if it's not too outrageously priced.  I'm most curious of the end result of adding the Bifrost Uber to the Concero, but the Nuwave is also a known variable and one that I like very much.

That being said, certain aspects of the Nuwave's sound certainly seem to be polarizing.  It seems most will either love it, or consider it a very "meh" upgrade.

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Originally Posted by JWahl 

I no longer have the Nuwave since I sold it to buy a Burson Soloist, but eventually I'd like to either re-buy it, save some money and pick up a Bifrost Uber, or possibly the Rumored Burson DAC based on Conductor DAC section if it's not too outrageously priced.  I'm most curious of the end result of adding the Bifrost Uber to the Concero, but the Nuwave is also a known variable and one that I like very much.

 

Since many manufacturers are putting out official specs with different baseline reference (can they decide to list output power at 32 Ohm, instead of 50 or 8 ohm?), and worse, technical dodginess, it's very hard for me to compare one DAC/Amp to the other. 

What conclusion can we draw from looking at the size or weight of transformer (torroidal or otherwise)? Does that correlate to the amount of current the amp can deliver? Is the general guideline "the heavier the amp the better" really useful?

Great news regarding the Musician Class DAC. I have been waiting for that...

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Originally Posted by zackzack 

 

Since many manufacturers are putting out official specs with different baseline reference (can they decide to list output power at 32 Ohm, instead of 50 or 8 ohm?), and worse, technical dodginess, it's very hard for me to compare one DAC/Amp to the other. 

 

What conclusion can we draw from looking at the size or weight of transformer (torroidal or otherwise)? Does that correlate to the amount of current the amp can deliver? Is the general guideline "the heavier the amp the better" really useful?

 

Great news regarding the Musician Class DAC. I have been waiting for that...

Measurements, as supplied by different companies, are tough to compare anyway. Different test methodologies can lead to completely different results. And then some companies just speculate "theoretical" numbers based on datasheet specs, rather than any real measurements. Best to use those as a general guideline and not for direct comparison.

As for amp weight - it can be useful, but not always. An excellent design using "adequate" parts will tend to sound better than a mediocre design with overbuilt parts. 

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Originally Posted by zackzack 

What makes it so special? M1 DAC is a favorite of many folks...

Don't get me wrong, the M1 DAC is not bad at all, but the NuWave has more fidelity while not sounding dry.    I found the NuWave to be more alive than the M1 with darker background and more air/space in the music. Once you've lived with the NuWave for a few week and then switch back to the M1 you will then notice why the M1 falls behind the PS.

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 

 

Also, has anyone gotten the Nuwave from a dealer for cheaper than retail? If so, what are the typical prices, especially in Canada?

I see them at Audiogon for less than retail. $795 seems to be the "unofficial" MSRP at this point. 

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 

I was considering the Nuwave for a while. I think I might hold out for a bit and get something like NAD M51 instead. Been reading very good revies for that. There's also the upcoming Yulong DA8 coming out. Although I'm guessing these two are most probably going to be better than the Nuwave by a decent margin. 

 

However, a shootout between Gungnir, Concero, NuWave, Audiolab M-DAC and Octave would be good - especially based on long term impressions where people have had these units for at least a month or two. Most of the polarizing opinions seem to be coming from the early impressions conducted in the first two weeks, where the DACs are still burning in and you're getting used to the sound as well. 

 

Also, has anyone gotten the Nuwave from a dealer for cheaper than retail? If so, what are the typical prices, especially in Canada?

I've read good things about the M51 if your looking in that price range.  Though at $2k, I'd probably stretch for a demo or used PWD Mk2.  As far the Nuwave's price, you could always try asking a dealer if they'll mark it down or if they have floor demos.  When it was released there was a promotion where they sold them at about $800 or $700 with trade in.  Most used ones now seem to go for about $650 to $700.  Since you're in Canada, I'd give partsconnexion a try.  They gave me a pretty good deal on my Soloist.

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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 

 

Don't get me wrong, the M1 DAC is not bad at all, but the NuWave has more fidelity while not sounding dry.    I found the NuWave to be more alive than the M1 with darker background and more air/space in the music. Once you've lived with the NuWave for a few week and then switch back to the M1 you will then notice why the M1 falls behind the PS.

Do you have any recommendations regarding amp pairing?

Boy, PS Audio gear is expensive in Asia...margin like crazy