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post #196 of 255
11/11/12 at 8:55am
If it is as good as people say, shouldnt Frogbeats be getting more attention? Right now most of it is going towards Heir and before that I noticed the V6 thread being popular.

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post #197 of 255
11/11/12 at 9:39am
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If it is as good as people say, shouldnt Frogbeats be getting more attention? Right now most of it is going towards Heir and before that I noticed the V6 thread being popular.

Popularity has little to do with quality.
post #198 of 255
11/11/12 at 9:41am
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Popularity has little to do with quality.

But doesn't popularity normally stem from quality? If something is good, it is only natural people would want to buy it.

post #199 of 255
11/11/12 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

If it is as good as people say, shouldnt Frogbeats be getting more attention? Right now most of it is going towards Heir and before that I noticed the V6 thread being popular.

Every new brand has to be like this at first, that is when they need Innovators to try the products and spread the word-of-mouth for their products to be more and more popular. This is why we have quite a good discount here from David :). You should think of how long Heir Audio and 1964Ears have been in the market.

post #200 of 255
11/11/12 at 10:24am
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Every new brand has to be like this at first, that is when they need Innovators to try the products and spread the word-of-mouth for their products to be more and more popular. This is why we have quite a good discount here from David :). You should think of how long Heir Audio and 1964Ears have been in the market.

Ah, true. I forgot that LFF's review was only made this september.

post #201 of 255
11/11/12 at 10:51am
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But doesn't popularity normally stem from quality? If something is good, it is only natural people would want to buy it.

It's makes sense, but popularity usually stems from hype, not quality. Also not as many people prefer uncolored sound.

Edit: case in point, the ER-6. I'd bet $50 that they measure better (and sound better) than the C4, yet I'm the only one who ever talks about them.
Edited by gnarlsagan - 11/11/12 at 11:00am
post #202 of 255
11/11/12 at 10:58am
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It's makes sense, but popularity usually stems from hype, not quality. Also not as many people prefer uncolored sound.

Does uncolored sound normally end up with more clarity?

post #203 of 255
11/11/12 at 11:16am
Interested in the c5 from singapore. Do update me thanks
post #204 of 255
11/11/12 at 11:41am
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Does uncolored sound normally end up with more clarity?

Imo yes but you have to be specific with what part of the frequency range has more clarity. A colored iem with more treble will sound clearer in the treble. A flat iem will maintain clarity throughout the entire range though, and it will have superior tonality and timbre in general. It won't have the artificial clarity that a treble boost provides, but natural and accurate clarity.
post #205 of 255
11/11/12 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


It's makes sense, but popularity usually stems from hype, not quality. Also not as many people prefer uncolored sound.
Edit: case in point, the ER-6. I'd bet $50 that they measure better (and sound better) than the C4, yet I'm the only one who ever talks about them.

Do you have any source for some ER-6 measurements?

post #206 of 255
11/11/12 at 3:26pm
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Do you have any source for some ER-6 measurements?

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2012/04/etymotic-research-er-6-tker.html

post #207 of 255
11/11/12 at 3:40pm
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Edit: case in point, the ER-6. I'd bet $50 that they measure better (and sound better) than the C4, yet I'm the only one who ever talks about them.

I'm certain that the er6's sound good for the money (and I quite like the er4 myself), but I find it a stretch to compare ~$1k CIEMs to sub-$100 IEMs. Sure they may sound better to certain people in terms of tonality, but that is subjective and ignores the other qualities such as soundstaging, imaging, micro detail/detail retrieval, fit, etc.
Edited by itshot - 11/11/12 at 3:44pm
post #208 of 255
11/11/12 at 4:20pm
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I'm certain that the er6's sound good for the money (and I quite like the er4 myself), but I find it a stretch to compare ~$1k CIEMs to sub-$100 IEMs. Sure they may sound better to certain people in terms of tonality, but that is subjective and ignores the other qualities suit as soundstaging, imaging, micro detail/detail retrieval, fit, etc.

That's true but imo FR is number one. If the tone is off then not much makes up for it. I'd be really interested in a comparison as I don't think multi driver iems regardless of cost can compete in FR and it's evident in their sound and in how they graph. Are there details evident in a multi driver custom that are left uncovered by the er-6? This is something I'd really like to know. I'd love to hear an example so I can test it myself.

The above is just my theory from what I've heard and from the graphs I've seen. People think cost=quality or accuracy and it's just not the case at all. Workmanship sure, but other benefits disappear with hard evidence.
post #209 of 255
11/11/12 at 4:34pm
By the same token, some people overly treat audiophile-ism as some sort empirical endeavor and forget to enjoy the music. If it sounds good to my ears and allows me to enjoy my music to an even greater degree, I'm happy. And imo that's really what matters at the end of the day.

I'm starting to deviate from the initial purpose of this thread, so I'll shut up now. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by itshot - 11/11/12 at 4:39pm
post #210 of 255
11/11/12 at 6:39pm
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
That's true but imo FR is number one. If the tone is off then not much makes up for it. I'd be really interested in a comparison as I don't think multi driver iems regardless of cost can compete in FR and it's evident in their sound and in how they graph. Are there details evident in a multi driver custom that are left uncovered by the er-6? This is something I'd really like to know. I'd love to hear an example so I can test it myself.
The above is just my theory from what I've heard and from the graphs I've seen. People think cost=quality or accuracy and it's just not the case at all. Workmanship sure, but other benefits disappear with hard evidence.

 What's missing in the ER6 in terms of details is extension in the subbass and highest treble (past 10k), this can be covered by multi-driver IEMs, a modded UE900 seems to do just that, but it isn't as forward as the ER6 in the midhighs and treble up to 10k, dipping a bit more. I agree, people factor in cost WAY too much into thinking that means the sound quality is going to be that much better. In my experience, price hardly tells you about performance, many sub 100$ IEMs are on par or better than the much more expensive ones. 

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