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post #946 of 4604

Agree that the it's the whole chain that makes this interesting.  Otherwise the effort would be just another (welcome) hi-fi mfg company.

 

There are a few things that we know about the store and the front end of the business.

- They are  engaging directly with the artists and music labels to lobby for better content.  Obviously if better quality doesn't go into the front of the chain, it's hard to get quality out the other end.  

- They assert that they intend to sell only the best version of a recording that is available -- and if another version becomes available, then customers will get free upgrades.

- They're working with JRiver on the store software and (I assume) music library software.

- At Axpona John Hamm said that all content will be signed off by the artists. Obviously this doesn't help for older material, but clearly setting the right direction for current and future works.

- Hamm also confirmed that "We care about provenance and the chain of custody."  It seems to me that their operating principles are exactly right.

 

The Axpona coverage is from Stereophile:  http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ceo%E2%80%99s-high-res-lowdown

 

The news about JRiver is directly from JRiver: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89007.msg610743#msg610743


Edited by flatmap - 5/16/14 at 7:46am
post #947 of 4604

It is the chain that's the thing - Fiio, Hifiman and Astell & Kern aren't offering a download service, and Pono aren't tying Pono Store users into using their player. This will, unfortunately, leave them open to being steamrollered by Apple's rumoured 'hi-res' service, unless they use a protected Apple format and alienate enough fans of quality sound in the process.

post #948 of 4604
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Originally Posted by PalJoey View Post
 

It is the chain that's the thing - Fiio, Hifiman and Astell & Kern aren't offering a download service, and Pono aren't tying Pono Store users into using their player. This will, unfortunately, leave them open to being steamrollered by Apple's rumoured 'hi-res' service, unless they use a protected Apple format and alienate enough fans of quality sound in the process.

 

AK has Groovers in their DAP for high res download. And soon Qobus app as well.

post #949 of 4604
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AK has Groovers in their DAP for high res download. And soon Qobus app as well.


Didn't know that. Very interesting, especially the Qobuz connection!

post #950 of 4604
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Didn't know that. Very interesting, especially the Qobuz connection!

 

http://www.whathifi.com/news/qobuz-app-brings-direct-high-res-downloads-to-astell-kern-players

post #951 of 4604

I'll be honest first and formost I wanted to back the pono campaign as statement in the loudness wars but when they showed off the metal signature additions I upped my donation level.

post #952 of 4604
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I'll be honest first and formost I wanted to back the pono campaign as statement in the loudness wars but when they showed off the metal signature additions I upped my donation level.

Ah yeah, pretty much in the same boat here.  Part of me said, "Black plastic pono is fine -- the important stuff is inside."  But

then I couldn't resist the Neil Young limited edition.  

post #953 of 4604
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I'll be honest first and formost I wanted to back the pono campaign as statement in the loudness wars...

How is the Pono campaign any sort of statement against the loudness wars?

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post #954 of 4604

One hopes that 24 bits are used for increased dynamic range and avoid clipping.  But that is a conscious choice, and artists may go on clipping their music anyway in the hi-res files.  

 

BTW, I wonder why people don't use "clipping" to describe the whole loudness thing.  This is the classic term for what is going on. 

post #955 of 4604
16 bit already has waaaay more dynamic range than is needed. 24 bit is pointless and won't make a difference.
post #956 of 4604

Good point.   Here's an analogy: 

 

16 bit = waaaay
loudness (16 bit) = ay****
loudness (24 bit) = ay************

 

Fill in some exciting-sounding bits for the asterisks.  

post #957 of 4604
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One hopes that 24 bits are used for increased dynamic range and avoid clipping.  But that is a conscious choice, and artists may go on clipping their music anyway in the hi-res files.  

BTW, I wonder why people don't use "clipping" to describe the whole loudness thing.  This is the classic term for what is going on. 

They don't use "clipping" to describe the whole loudness thing because the whole loudness thing is largely about dynamic compression, not clipping. While some tracks have been found to have some clipping, it's not typically clipping that's used to make the track sound loud. That's done with dynamic compression which essentially reduces the peaks while bringing up the levels of otherwise softer sounds. This is accomplished without clipping.

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post #958 of 4604
Music on average these days has between 6 and 12 dB's of dynamic range. 96 dB's are available with 16 bit audio (not taking into account dithering). 24 vs 16 bit has no relevance as far as the "loudness wars" or clipping.
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Originally Posted by audiofrk View Post

I'll be honest first and formost I wanted to back the pono campaign as statement in the loudness wars...

How is the Pono campaign any sort of statement against the loudness wars?

se
The only thing I got out of the campaign video was that a bunch of famous people walk out of their cars saying that HD audio is "the schiit" and that it sounds way better than MP3. Oh, and some mythical thing called the Pono player supposedly sounds good despite not even making a 1-second appearance in anyone's hand.
post #960 of 4604
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The only thing I got out of the campaign video was that a bunch of famous people walk out of their cars saying that HD audio is "the schiit" and that it sounds way better than MP3. Oh, and some mythical thing called the Pono player supposedly sounds good despite not even making a 1-second appearance in anyone's hand.

Yeah, that about sums it up for me too.

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