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Originally Posted by Tympan View Post
 

In my case, I'll even go as far as saying "better sounding equipment" has made me appreciate music styles or artists I would have never suspected I'd be listening to before... like Diana Krall, Cesaria Evora... or even some classical and Opera... 

THIS

 

I have sampled songs I probably would never have considered since getting into this hobby - sometimes a recording in itself can be breathtaking - the way notes rise and fall - the way instruments mesh...

 

... it sometimes takes a bit of time before I realize it is C&W and I have to gag. :D

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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post
 

THIS

 

I have sampled songs I probably would never have considered since getting into this hobby - sometimes a recording in itself can be breathtaking - the way notes rise and fall - the way instruments mesh...

 

... it sometimes takes a bit of time before I realize it is C&W and I have to gag. :D


Try "The Red-Headed Stranger" by Willie Nelson - it's fantastic.

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Try "The Red-Headed Stranger" by Willie Nelson - it's fantastic.

Try Willie's Stardust album - the gateway drug, because it's not technically C&W. And it sounds wonderful.

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Ah, a new low, even by the standards of the remains of a once-good newspaper - 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/rhodri-marsden-neil-youngs-quest-for-purer-listening-is-pure-elitist-garbage-9265626.html

 

The bubbleheaded yammerings following his Tweet of this 'article' are even more hopeless.

 

 

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Thanks for the rec - nobody forgets their first gateway drug hehe

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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Apple threatened?
http://feedly.com/e/TyH9RRKh
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High-definition 24-bit downloads are said to offer better detail, greater depth, and a deeper bass response compared to traditional 16-bit music downloads, but the file sizes are much larger.
Marketing at its finest. XD
post #804 of 4585
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Apple threatened?
http://feedly.com/e/TyH9RRKh

That's where Neil Young wasted some time with Apple.

Instead of trying to convince them that better files + better player = better music experience, he should have just pointed at itunes sales – Hi-res files sales = less money in Apple's pocket

Because the truth and the matter is, Apple cares more about $$$ than it does about better music experience

 

Another typical "Marketing at its finest" 

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I'm so happy that this morning, Neil Youngs Pono was the number one trending on Yahoo!
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Got all excited for a minute this evening...thought my local grocery was doing early Pono release:

post #807 of 4585
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Originally Posted by Tympan View Post
 

That's where Neil Young wasted some time with Apple.

Instead of trying to convince them that better files + better player = better music experience, he should have just pointed at itunes sales – Hi-res files sales = less money in Apple's pocket

Because the truth and the matter is, Apple cares more about $$$ than it does about better music experience

 

Another typical "Marketing at its finest" 

Of course it's about business, and you also understand that their thrust is towards phones and app's and the iTunes is secondary.  They dropped R&D in iPods, and now focus on phones that happen to play music.  That's where they're at right now.  When streaming music becomes the center of everyone's attention, they will take control of that market and develop the leading UI and hardware to provide that.  To get annoyed that they're after profit is a lost cause, and I can't say that I blame them for wanting to be profitable..

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Marketing at its finest. XD

 

Exactly! 

 

If iTunes, or Amazon,  starts selling hi-res, I wouldn't spend a penny more to get it over their normal quality. 

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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post
 

 

Exactly! 

 

If iTunes, or Amazon,  starts selling hi-res, I wouldn't spend a penny more to get it over their normal quality. 

iTunes (Apple) has already stated they will charge a minimum of $1 more for each hi-res song.

post #810 of 4585
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Originally Posted by fiascogarcia View Post
 

 To get annoyed that they're after profit is a lost cause

I'm not really that annoyed at Apple. I've been a Mac user for 10 years, Macbook Pro, ipods, iphone...  I'm just not relying on them for audio. Thankfully, the portable audio industry has provided me with alternatives and better suited portable players (namely HM801, HM700, and Tera player)

 

I am more annoyed at people criticizing such alternatives every time someone comes up with something different that the common ipod. First of all, if that's not their thing, no problemo, they can ignore it and move on. But instead, too often, they criticize like they know better.

 Pono detractors often say there is no audible difference between hi-res and Lossless CD so there won't be any audible difference between an ipod and a pono... insinuating that Neil Young's project is nothing more than a profitable venture in disguise to take advantage of gullible music snobs, pretty much... and then pointing at the triangular design as a total fail in comparison to the sleek ipod/iphone's design (another clue in their mind of a lack of competency and rubbish intentions)... It never crossed their mind that maybe, assuming a recording is well produced, the delivered quality will depend on both the file's quality itself and the quality of the electronic components/design of the player...

 

Not only most of these detractors have never heard anything else than an ipod/iphone in the first place but many still assume that "Apple lossless" (AAC 258 kbps) is lossless CD quality!!!

When in fact, it is LOSSY and audibly inferior to true 16/44.1 lossless CD quality. The difference is audible on most middle of the road DAPs, many desktop DACs, and even more obvious on top tier CD players...

 

Skepticism is healthy when expressed with an open mind and sufficient information (not just "scientific" reports).

Assuming the pono succeeds in delivering audibly superior music enjoyment. Many will still favor the practicality of an all in one slim device, sure. I don't think Neil Young's mission ever was to take over Apple... But Apple won't put as much effort into improving the sound they have advertised as being "good enough" unless their sales are decreasing (which is happening right now)... 

 

In the end, wether these pono detractors realize it or not, if Apple's sound quality ever gets audibly better than what it is now (yes, there is room for audibly better and I don't think anyone would complain about a better sounding ipod/iphone), the alternative portable audio's industry efforts, Neil Young included, and all those who supported these projects with an open mind may very well be responsible for Apple addressing these improvements faster...

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