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post #2701 of 3790
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

How difficult would it be to add a switch so you can choose whether to use the headphone jack or speaker taps? Even having headphone jack take precedence would be fine, as only the speaker taps are more of a hassle to plug/unplug every time you want to switch to speakers.

It's called a speaker switch :D Get a 2 way speaker switch and connect speakers to one output and headphones to the other.

 

To do this inside an interface box you'd need a switch built for speaker gauge size wire. Since many of us are into our music we tend to use 14 to 8 gauge speaker wire and that really would be difficult to work with inside the box. It's doable but it wouldn't be easy.

post #2702 of 3790

So far I have mixed feelings about the Emotiva. Sometimes I think the treble is too much, but then sometimes I feel like it's just right. We'll see if this changes after I try the modi instead of sourcing from my schitty computer on board DAC...

post #2703 of 3790
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It's called a speaker switch :D Get a 2 way speaker switch and connect speakers to one output and headphones to the other.

 

To do this inside an interface box you'd need a switch built for speaker gauge size wire. Since many of us are into our music we tend to use 14 to 8 gauge speaker wire and that really would be difficult to work with inside the box. It's doable but it wouldn't be easy.

 

Are you talking about one of these:

 

Would it be easier just to add a mechanism where it plays whatever is plugged in, and if both are plugged in, it only plays through the headphone jack? I'm okay with unplugging the headphones to use speakers, but it's more annoying to unplug speakers.

 

Actually for me, this has become more of a moot point. I just spent some time listening to how my MartinLogan Motion 4 sounded from Quickie+Emotiva vs. Baby Sophia, and I don't think the Quickie+Emotiva pairs well with the speaker as they do with the HE-500. The Quickie+Emotiva creates a grand sound with a tall soundstage*, that doesn't seem to work with my bookshelf speakers. I think it's due room acoustics, whereas you get a well controlled acoustic chamber around your ears with headphones. Anyways I get a thicker sound, but it gets muddied by reverberations, so I prefer the Sophia better here with a smaller sound. I'm sure others are still interested in how to do this though. So please go on if you have any information. :o

 

*really this is more the Emotiva signature, rather than Quickie in my findings


Edited by Sonido - 12/14/13 at 6:08pm
post #2704 of 3790
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Are you talking about one of these:

 

 

I think that would work to switch the headphone jack on and off... poke a hole on the top/side of the emotiva maybe? lol

post #2705 of 3790
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I think that would work to switch the headphone jack on and off... poke a hole on the top/side of the emotiva maybe? lol


Would honestly look nice on the front. On the opposite side of the 1/4" jack.

post #2706 of 3790

The problem is switching the speakers off. This is the internals of a good quality speaker switch:

 

You can get a speaker switch starting for around $30. PartsExpess.com sells a variety of them. All you really need is a 1 in 2 out switch.

post #2707 of 3790
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So far I have mixed feelings about the Emotiva. Sometimes I think the treble is too much, but then sometimes I feel like it's just right. We'll see if this changes after I try the modi instead of sourcing from my schitty computer on board DAC...


Get the Quickie! :p

 

Actually there's some truth in that. Here's the frequency graph of the Quickie, and you can see the treble roll off, although it's only -0.1 dB:

Reference: http://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-bottlehead-quickie-tube-preamp-page-4

post #2708 of 3790
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Get the Quickie! :p

 

Actually there's some truth in that. Here's the frequency graph of the Quickie, and you can see the treble roll off, although it's only -0.1 dB:

 

Reference: http://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-bottlehead-quickie-tube-preamp-page-4

 

Yes, but:

 

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 OK, figure the Quickie would cost $600 to $800 if it were assembled and had a real power supply. Even at that price, coming close to the Krell’s performance is pretty remarkable. Is it the magic of tubes? The simplicity of the circuit? The clean battery power? The particulate from the cigar I was smoking when I did the solder joints? Who knows?

 

If we're comparing the $169 Emotiva to an amp that ranges between $600 and $800, that might be a bit unfair.  If one is using Foobar and their computer as the source to push music to the DAC, the use of a parametric EQ plug-in for Foobar, is a much, much cheaper solution.  :p

post #2709 of 3790
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Yes, but:

 

 

If we're comparing the $169 Emotiva to an amp that ranges between $600 and $800, that might be a bit unfair.  If one is using Foobar and their computer as the source to push music to the DAC, the use of a parametric EQ plug-in for Foobar, is a much, much cheaper solution.  :p

The Quickie is a preamp used in sync with the Emotiva. And it's only $99. Like those Ford AND commercials. :D

post #2710 of 3790
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

How difficult would it be to add a switch so you can choose whether to use the headphone jack or speaker taps? Even having headphone jack take precedence would be fine, as only the speaker taps are more of a hassle to plug/unplug every time you want to switch to speakers.

 

Um, guys, they make TRS plugs with switching contacts. Like, $5 tops. Just sayin...

 

http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/plugs-and-jacks/m-series/nmj6hc-s

 

 

edit: first hit on ebay - two for $5

post #2711 of 3790
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Originally Posted by wje View Post
 

 

Yes, but:

 

 

If we're comparing the $169 Emotiva to an amp that ranges between $600 and $800, that might be a bit unfair.  If one is using Foobar and their computer as the source to push music to the DAC, the use of a parametric EQ plug-in for Foobar, is a much, much cheaper solution.  :p

+1

 

I would not add another device to the chain (pre amp) with the a-100. Why?  I would work with my source (DAC). A good cost effective solution would be the Maverick D2 as the OP has suggested.  It goes up from there.  The a-100 is pretty neutral to maybe a bit bright for some.  DAC choices here helps a lot.  I've had two a-100s used them with many different DACs / nothing wrong with the volume control it already has.

post #2712 of 3790
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Um, guys, they make TRS plugs with switching contacts. Like, $5 tops. Just sayin...

http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/plugs-and-jacks/m-series/nmj6hc-s


edit: first hit on ebay - two for $5

Does this mean the wires donc make contact with the socket until something is plugged in?
post #2713 of 3790
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post
 

 

Um, guys, they make TRS plugs with switching contacts. Like, $5 tops. Just sayin...

 

http://www.neutrik.com/en/audio/plugs-and-jacks/m-series/nmj6hc-s

 

 

edit: first hit on ebay - two for $5

This is a pic of my guitar tube amp. I added the non-switching TS speaker jack using 16 gauge speaker wire. You may be able to move up to 14 gauge wire with a switching jack. Unless you're happy with 14 gauge speaker wire running from your amp to speakers it would be difficult to use lower gauge wire with a switched TRS jack. The dummy jack in the picture is used to secure the internal speaker's plug when not in use.

UltraSpeakerJack.jpg 

 

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 Does this mean the wires donc make contact with the socket until something is plugged in?

 

We would need a dual switching TRS jack like this:

14B Dual Switching TRS Jack

The Tip and Ring are closed until a headphone is plugged in.


Edited by robrob - 12/15/13 at 7:53am
post #2714 of 3790
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

+1

I would not add another device to the chain (pre amp) with the a-100. Why?  I would work with my source (DAC). A good cost effective solution would be the Maverick D2 as the OP has suggested.  It goes up from there.  The a-100 is pretty neutral to maybe a bit bright for some.  DAC choices here helps a lot.  I've had two a-100s used them with many different DACs / nothing wrong with the volume control it already has.
Well for added warmth. You could try tube DAC as well. All I can say is I'm hearing the combo and it's a definite improvement over Emotiva alone. Less harsh for sure and maybe that's what people are looking for. While the volume control on Emotiva is fine, having a preamp really helps in how fine you can control the volume. And for $100 I can't believe people are arguing over price when they're willing to spend much more on cables. I'm sorry, but this preamp is going to affect the sound much more than cables.

The D2 is $250 as well. And for those with a $1000+ DAC which is technically superior than the D2 as far as what a DAC is supposed to do, it doesn't make sense to downgrade to the D2.

I know it's a foreign idea to most of you, this preamp thing. But we are using a speaker amp, so it opens the doors. When in Rome... This article explains the concept: http://www.ebay.com/gds/Amplifiers-tube-amp-or-solid-state-/10000000002874327/g.html
Edited by Sonido - 12/15/13 at 10:32am
post #2715 of 3790
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


Well for added warmth. You could try tube DAC as well. All I can say is I'm hearing the combo and it's a definite improvement over Emotiva alone. Less harsh for sure and maybe that's what people are looking for. While the volume control on Emotiva is fine, having a preamp really helps in how fine you can control the volume. And for $100 I can't believe people are arguing over price when they're willing to spend much more on cables. I'm sorry, but this preamp is going to affect the sound much more than cables.

The D2 is $250 as well. And for those with a $1000+ DAC which is technically superior than the D2 as far as what a DAC is supposed to do, it doesn't make sense to downgrade to the D2.

I know it's a foreign idea to most of you, this preamp thing. But we are using a speaker amp, so it opens the doors. When in Rome... This article explains the concept: http://www.ebay.com/gds/Amplifiers-tube-amp-or-solid-state-/10000000002874327/g.html

 

:blink: Of course.  That's a no brainer .  If your using a mini-X chances are your not using a $1000 DAC with it.  So the suggested DAC is suggested because it's cost effective.  I'm saying I wouldn't add a pre amp.  That's like adding a pre amp to an integrated amp?  Why get the integrated amp in the first place.  

 

One of the main reasons the mini-X is so popular is because of the integrated volume control.  This allows you to concentrate more on your DAC choice.

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