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post #46 of 63
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Any updates now the HD650's are burnt in a little more?

I would be interested to read your thoughts on the HD650 v HD600, especially using the Cardas cable.
Nigel, I was at first having difficulty distinguishing the 650s from the 600s, until one night, without even thinking about it, I was listening to an LP and realised that I was completely mesmerised, and that this was exactly the sound I've been looking for from headphones all these years. It was then that I realised that the 650s were fully burned in, and have since compared them to the 600s several times, both using the Cardas cable. The 600s remain a fine pair of headphones, but are noticeably thinner sounding, especially in the midrange. The 650s have a fuller sound, with a more realistic midrange, and also have a wonderful liquid quality - a clear upgrade over the 600s.

Fewtch, I understand the new Oehlbach cable will be available in a few months. Maybe you can sell yours and wait to try the new one.
post #47 of 63
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Originally Posted by Ross
Fewtch, I understand the new Oehlbach cable will be available in a few months. Maybe you can sell yours and wait to try the new one.
Eh... it's a possibility, altho I'm really not unhappy with the sound of the stock cable (already sold the Oehlbach). People say it's a bit thin and I agree, but it's not an unpleasant sort of thinness... kind of airy and "romantic" sounding (for lack of a better term), and as I enjoy this sonic signature with most types of music I don't know if I'd want to pay anything to change it.
post #48 of 63
Fewtch! You drank the Kool-Aid!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRG!!!!!

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Originally Posted by fewtch
Eh... it's a possibility, altho I'm really not unhappy with the sound of the stock cable (already sold the Oehlbach). People say it's a bit thin and I agree, but it's not an unpleasant sort of thinness... kind of airy and "romantic" sounding (for lack of a better term), and as I enjoy this sonic signature with most types of music I don't know if I'd want to pay anything to change it.
post #49 of 63
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Originally Posted by Steve999
Fewtch! You drank the Kool-Aid!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRG!!!!!
Hey... I thought I heard a difference (there were definitely differences in measurements between the two cables, although only at a very high impedance (putting the cable in a loop between soundcard line-in and line-out) and probably because of the Oehlbach's shielding).

My mind is open to *possible* differences between cables... they're in the signal path, after all. I just didn't do any blind or double-blind testing...

P.S. don't worry, the LSD has mostly worn off by now
post #50 of 63
LOL, well if you go to the barber shop too often, you're probably going to end up getting a hair cut.

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P.S. don't worry, the LSD has mostly worn off by now
post #51 of 63
Cheers Ross,

I was kinda hoping you wouldn't say that about the HD650, coming from you there can be no greater endorsement. Are you still using the Chiara?

Best,

Nigel
post #52 of 63
Nigel, yes I am still using the Chiarra as the main amp in my second system (though soon to be replaced with a Meier Prehead).

However, I have recently done a bit of an amp shootout with my Chiarra, Corda HA-1 Mk I, Headroom MOH (old version) as well as the Headline/Hicap (although the latter was only an unofficial entry, since it cannot be easily compared to the other amps, due to Naim connection difficulties). The result, to my surprise, was that the Headroom MOH came out on top, with the Corda HA-1 only slightly behind, and then the Chiarra a notch below that. I had been expecting the Chiarra to be the clear winner, especially after replacing the op amps with BB2604 and defeating the balance control. I was also surprised that the inexpensive Corda, which even Jan admits was not designed with ultimate sound quality in mind, sounded so good against the other amps, and almost as good as the much more expensive Headroom amp. I should add that all these amps are excellent, and I could happily live with any of them, and the Chiarra remains a favourite even though it did not appear to be a clear winner in this experiment. I will have to repeat the test some time to see if the results differ.
post #53 of 63
Thanks Ross.

I bet the members of this site would love to read a shoot out test between these amps.
post #54 of 63
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Originally Posted by zeplin
ross,
very interesting! if anything, your impressions further prove that the differences between the two headphones alone (600/650) are pretty noticable and for the most part, are worth the upgrade. for those that think the HD580/600 are lacking that little bit of sound you wish to have, the 650's are the definite answer. also ross, if you think the cardas help extend the highs and lows, just wait until you hear what the Zu's can do with the 650's. the highs sparkle so much that you wonder how how the 650's manage to extend the highs without them sounding sibilant or harsh! the Zu cable also further texturizes the bass notes like no other. when you get the chance to try out the Zu's, don't let that chance pass you up...unless you would like to save your wallet some grief...they are very pricey, but well worth it, IMHO.
was thinking myself to get the zu ..is it -or not- too much forwarding the midrange with the hd650 ?
post #55 of 63
Dear Ross,

"I was also surprised that the inexpensive Corda, which even Jan admits was not designed with ultimate sound quality in mind, sounded so good against the other amps"

You will be surprised by your upcoming PREHEAD then!

:-)

Jan
post #56 of 63
Hey Jan, I know what you mean!

post #57 of 63
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You will be surprised by your upcoming PREHEAD then!
I certainly hope so, Jan! I'm still getting the finances together for the Prehead ... soon. Once I've bought it, I will have a proper listening session of all my amps and post a full review of each.
post #58 of 63
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Originally Posted by Ross
Nigel, yes I am still using the Chiarra as the main amp in my second system (though soon to be replaced with a Meier Prehead).

However, I have recently done a bit of an amp shootout with my Chiarra, Corda HA-1 Mk I, Headroom MOH (old version) as well as the Headline/Hicap (although the latter was only an unofficial entry, since it cannot be easily compared to the other amps, due to Naim connection difficulties). The result, to my surprise, was that the Headroom MOH came out on top, with the Corda HA-1 only slightly behind, and then the Chiarra a notch below that. I had been expecting the Chiarra to be the clear winner, especially after replacing the op amps with BB2604 and defeating the balance control. I was also surprised that the inexpensive Corda, which even Jan admits was not designed with ultimate sound quality in mind, sounded so good against the other amps, and almost as good as the much more expensive Headroom amp. I should add that all these amps are excellent, and I could happily live with any of them, and the Chiarra remains a favourite even though it did not appear to be a clear winner in this experiment. I will have to repeat the test some time to see if the results differ.

Hi Ross,

The OPA 2604 is very chocolaty sounding in the Chiarra and I found the AD823AN made the Chiarra sound miles better. For the ultimate Chiarra experience try some OPA 627's on a browndog, replace the 2 x 470uF dubilier caps with ELNA Silmics and replace the 2 x 2.2UF caps with polyprop varieties.

The difference with these components fitted is night and day and I'm pretty sure the Chiarra would see off the competition with these components in place

My original op amp review needs updated as I've tried tons more op amps since writing it http://www.rock-grotto.co.uk/opamp.htm I would honestly give the OPA 627 on browndog 10 / 10 and the OPA 2604 5 / 10 with the AD 823 going down to 8 / 10 in my updated review which I will upload over the next few days.

Nigel has the OPA 627, ELNA Silmic 470UF and the 2.2uF polyprops in his Chiarra and it would be interesting to learn if he found the same major improvement these components brought about as I did.

All the best.

Mike.
post #59 of 63
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Originally Posted by Ross
...getting the finances together for the Prehead ...
Ross: I had the Corda HA1... which I parted with only because I upgraded to the Prehead.

I hope you will enjoy the Prehead as much as I do!!!
post #60 of 63
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Originally Posted by greenhorn
Ross: I had the Corda HA1... which I parted with only because I upgraded to the Prehead.

I hope you will enjoy the Prehead as much as I do!!!
Wait till he hears the Chiarra in full bloom, it'll make the prehead sound like a transistor radio

PM me Ross, I'll send you the recipe.
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