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post #31 of 63
Sorry fiddler, but technically, for these tests to be valid they need to be double blind, which is pretty dang hard to set up properly. That's why this forum is supposedly dbt free
post #32 of 63
... and on the other hand, I think my test actually has more truth to it than a "properly" set up double-blind test, simply because if it's done "scientifically", it puts the test device (human hearing!) in a foreign, uncomfortable circumstance. Being living things and all, we can't function to the best of our ability when we're put in such a situation. In my test we were just sorta chillin', which puts our ears/brain in a far more normal state, and thus increasing the validity of the test. Ever notice how your system sounds different in the morning compared to in the evening? Our ears are INCREDIBLY sensitive, but they're very moody as well.
post #33 of 63

Sorry...

It seems I've gotten sucked into one of "these" discussions again . This is not a good time for me to see someone slamming the Oelbach vs. the stock cable, right after I just ordered an Oehlback (but before receiving it), and it brought out my cable skepticism once again. There's no end to this sort of debate, so I'll shut up now and refrain from wasting everyone's time.
post #34 of 63
I am starting this one back up. I spent all evening listening to my senns switching between the Bayley Audio diamondback and the Oehlbach cable. I prefer the diamonbacks richer midrange but the oehlbach is a very good cable. I am finding it more neutral than the diamondback and it seems to mate best with my gilmore v2-se, but its still good with the ppx3. The diamondbacks more robust signature matches and mates noticeably better with my ppx3, so I dont use it with the gilmore amp. The only flaw with the oehlbach so far is that it still lacks a little treble extension and air. I do believe its beginning to open up, and once it does, I will probably never put the stock cable back on the senns. The oehlbach has a better bass and a smoother presentation than the stock cable already, IMO.
post #35 of 63
Thanks, Earl. Keep us updated. These two cables greatly interest me and I want to hear how the Oehlbach shakes out.
post #36 of 63
The Oehlbach definately has a different sonic signature than the stock cable. I consider it quite an upgrade, especially given my tastes in music. Combined with the HD600 I have the best headphone I have heard so far for listening to industrial and rock the way I like to listen to them. Maybe the Zu or Moon Audio cables are better, but I'm not ready to plunk down $200 or more dollars to find out. If the Oehlbach restrict dynamics then I'm not hearing it, I find it more dynamic than the stock cable. I love what it does for vocals. They aren't the last word in treble extension or energy, but I wasn't expecting that anyway. And the bass, it's great. Very nice slam and extension. The soundstage and positioning is also better than the stock cable. I am very happy with this cable and really have no desire to upgrade to another cable.
post #37 of 63
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Originally posted by donovansmith
The Oehlbach definately has a different sonic signature than the stock cable. I consider it quite an upgrade. If the Oehlbach restrict dynamics then I'm not hearing it, I find it more dynamic than the stock cable. I love what it does for vocals. They aren't the last word in treble extension or energy, but I wasn't expecting that anyway. And the bass, it's great. Very nice slam and extension. The soundstage and positioning is also better than the stock cable. I am very happy with this cable and really have no desire to upgrade to another cable.
I agree with you Donovan and I also feel the treble extension to be very satisfying with the Oehlbach. Of course, I haven't auditioned any U$200.00 cables and I have developed a preference for a darker or rolled off musical presentation (when I was a teen I loved boomy bass and screechy highs). I detect no restricted dynamics, which I also perceive as superior to that of the stock cable. I love what this cable does to vocals, smoothing them, making them more natural. The stock cable sounds grainy with vocals. The bass is even better now than when I first got this cable. It's now tighter and with greater definition, so some break in is detectable here.

Cheers,
Alex
post #38 of 63
I gather your guys are comparing the Oehlbach cable to the stock 600 cable. My comparison of the Oehlbach was with the 650 cable, which is an improved version of the 600 cable. I would expect the Oehlbach cable to be an improvement on the 600 cable (I will have to test this as well when I get some time) but the position is less clear against the 650 cable. I should add that even after a solid week of continuous break in, my Oehlbach cable is still sounding grainy and with restricted high frequencies.
post #39 of 63
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Originally posted by Ross
My comparison of the Oehlbach was with the 650 cable, which is an improved version of the 600 cable.
Improved physically that's for sure, but sonically it's arguable. It's been confirmed the new stock HD650 cable uses the same conductors and configuration as the HD600 stock cable. The only real differences here are the heavier outer jacket which is bulked up some, the larger area of plastic near the connector leads and then of course the cable is terminated with a 1/4" plug instead of a mini with a 1/4" adapter like in the HD600 cable. I can see where there might be a subtle improvement due to the direct termination of the 1/4" plug but other than that it's the same cable with more plastic on it.
post #40 of 63
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Improved physically that's for sure, but sonically it's arguable.
I will compare them tonight and post the results.
post #41 of 63
Ross, I am comparing two hd 650's so I only have the "new" stock cable. I have three cables currently, the stock, oehlbach and bayley audio diamondback. I also have two outputs on my v2-se so I can compare the two 650's in identical setups at exactly the same volume. I leave them both plugged in and can switch almost instantly between two of them. However, I hear the biggest change when I listen to a several songs and then switch to another cable. Once I get used to one cables signature, the change is more noticeable when I switch the other cable in.The diamondback is my favorite, next the oehlbach, and then a distant third the stock cable. Its very easy to tell the differences between the cables in my setup.
post #42 of 63
Rather than start a new thread I thought I would just give a quick update. The oehlbach has settled down and is consistently displaying its character. The bass remains excellent. The sound clearly has less harshness than the stock cable. The treble never has completely opened up(and likely wont) but the upper frequency presentation is very coherent and smooth. The build quality is very good for such a pliable cable. I think the oehlbach is a winner and a good choice for anyone who wants a cost effective upgrade for their senns.


As a comparison, I still prefer the Bayley Audio diamondback overall, but the diamondback is almost 2x as much, and the difference in actual enjoyment is small. I like to listen to either one. The diamondback is the cable to have if you want a warmer sound though. The diamondback is also a little more open sounding vs the oehlbach, despite its richness. The diamondback is a thicker more substantial cable, but it seems to be easy to manipulate in my setup, and the build quality is very good with this cable too.

If you dont mind spending more for a cable like the diamondback, you do get a more open and refined sounding cable. The diamondback will really shine in a system needing a little warmth. At times the difference between the two cables seems slight. However, in my system, the diamondback always sounds slightly more open or less closed in vs the oehlbach; regardless of the source/ amp combination. So if thats a priority with you, keep that in mind.
post #43 of 63
Ross,

Any updates now the HD650's are burnt in a little more?

I would be interested to read your thoughts on the HD650 v HD600, especially using the Cardas cable.

Best wishes,

Nigel
post #44 of 63
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Originally Posted by asdfeproiu9
Okay, whatever floats your boat. After my switch from the W1000's, the HD650's definitely seem to be covered by something. That's why I'm wondering whether to upgrade the cable now, later, or even which cable. In fact, I'm not even 100% sure I'm going to keep these headphones.

The characteristic sound of the HD650 seems to be almost a polar opposite to the W1000's. Also, it appears to be more of a step sideways rather than a step forward. I suppose I have to give these headphones some more time though.
Yup, there's a veil, get a Moon Audio Silver Dragon cable and drive it with a Gilmore Balanced or Blockhead and that veil goes away nicely...
post #45 of 63
For whatever it's worth, I'm now agreeing with Ross... I don't like the Oehlbach and have gone back to the stock cable (which has much better depth imaging, to my ears). It seems that most people do prefer the Oehlbach over the stock cable tho, more power to 'em.
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