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post #31 of 109
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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

I really have to disagree. While it depends a lot in what kind of metal you are listening to, I find it the LCD-2 excellent for metal and rock music. It has a deep, punching bass with very clear mids and smooth highs. It is definitely a matter of taste though, as the LCD-2 is quite dark, but I like it.

 

Naturally it is a matter of taste. For me the bite and presence of guitars is just completely MIA compared to others I like for metal, and the PRaT just isn't there for thrash. Even something like Korn with a very heavy bass emphasis and often slower tempos just sounds completely wrong to me out the LCD-2s. I should probably listen to some sludgier stuff like Beastwars and Down with my LCD-2s and see how they sound, they have thundering low bass lines and typically feature more grinding and down-tempo beats, so would be the most suited metal I can think of for the LCD-2s (even then I really wonder if the LCD-2s will present the guitars in a way that I will enjoy, no doubt being a guitarist is part of what generates my own tilt in sound preferences for listening to metal, that and attending a huge number of live shows and enjoying headphones that can capture that kind of energy best).


Edited by NZtechfreak - 10/25/12 at 2:27am
post #32 of 109
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Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post

Not being a big fan of metal I cannot comment, but the LCD's spank every RS1 I've ever owned (RS1 with buttons and RS1i) with rock. Occasionally there is an album that the RS1 does very well with and even exceeds the LCD's with great guitar energy, but predominately they're in quite a different league in my opinion. It took a great deal of time and effort to find the proper synergistic match for the LCD's, but boy has it paid off (they are no place near slow and are far more transparent than RS1's). My HE6 out of Marantz 2285 is also phenomenal with certain varieties of indie rock and again are a step or even two above the RS1 in my opinion. 

I've owned 3 different RS1s over the years and loved them. BUT, I totally agree with your assessments with the LCD-2/3s over the RS1s (any vintage) for rock, hard rock, metal (and pretty much ever genre out there).

post #33 of 109
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

 

Naturally it is a matter of taste. For me the bite and presence of guitars is just completely MIA compared to others I like for metal, and the PRaT just isn't there for thrash. Even something like Korn with a very heavy bass emphasis and often slower tempos just sounds completely wrong to me out the LCD-2s. I should probably listen to some sludgier stuff like Beastwars and Down with my LCD-2s and see how they sound, they have thundering low bass lines and typically feature more grinding and down-tempo beats, so would be the most suited metal I can think of for the LCD-2s (even then I really wonder if the LCD-2s will present the guitars in a way that I will enjoy, no doubt being a guitarist is part of what generates my own tilt in sound preferences for listening to metal, that and attending a huge number of live shows and enjoying headphones that can capture that kind of energy best).

 

Everything is about taste, BUT (yes another but tongue.gif) technically, there is no question which headphone measures better and is technically superior. But (ok...my final "but") that doesn't mean someone will prefer that. smile.gif

post #34 of 109
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I think I will order a grado and the HE-400 to see if I prefer a bright or a dark sound for metal, then I can return both and buy the LCD-2 if I prefer a darker sound, or buy the RS1i if I prefer a brighter sound.

 

thanks for everyone's help.

post #35 of 109
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

Everything is about taste, BUT (yes another but tongue.gif) technically, there is no question which headphone measures better and is technically superior. But (ok...my final "but") that doesn't mean someone will prefer that. smile.gif

 

Of course, I agree the LCD-2 is the better headphone from a technical standpoint. The OP didn't ask which measured best though, only which was best for rock and metal. Opinion is fairly evenly divided on that, with some of us (? more the metal fans) really not liking the LCD-2 for that, and some like yourself liking it for those genres. I think I gave a fair account of why I personally dislike it for those genres, including disclosing the biases that inform my preference, which I think is a pretty even-handed way to frame criticisms (especially if the idea is to be as informative as possible to the OP, who can then decide whether he might feel similarly about the preferences that shape his own taste in headphones). Don't get me wrong for a second, I absolutely adore my LCD-2 - for stuff like vocal jazz and electronic stuff like Massive Attack with real subterranean bass extension nothing else in my collection comes close, but it isn't my cup of tea for rock and (especially) metal.

 

Anyways, FWIW I think the OP has chosen a pretty good route in terms of seeing for himself which sound he personally prefers, will be interested to see his feedback.

post #36 of 109
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

I think I will order a grado and the HE-400 to see if I prefer a bright or a dark sound for metal, then I can return both and buy the LCD-2 if I prefer a darker sound, or buy the RS1i if I prefer a brighter sound.

 

thanks for everyone's help.

 

Know that HE400s have a LOT more treble quantity than LCD2s; the only reason they (the Hifiman's) are called 'dark' is because they are laid-back in the mids. Confusing, I know, but semantics are semantics.

 

This means that even if you come to like the HE400s, it will not mean you will like the LCD2s; on the other hand you might love them a lot more than HE400s. The two are very much opposites in terms of response in the 2000 Hz - 20000 Hz.

 

 

 

A quick arbitrary MSpaint drawing to illustrate my point:

 

 

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Edited by jerg - 10/25/12 at 8:56pm
post #37 of 109

I now own a pair of T1s to go along with my LCD-3s, and it could be that they just need a good break-in, but they are definitely a cut or two below my Audeze's right now.  There's a lack of dimension to the T-1s' sound at this point that is a bit disappointing.  Lots of high end energy, but not enough in the rest of the spectrum.  I remember the loaner pair from The Cable Company being much better and more balanced than this.  Time will tell if break-in is the answer.

 

To the OP:  I hate to keep shilling for the Cable Company, but if you really want to explore multiple high-$ cans and definitely intend to buy something, look into their loaner library.  The only way to really know what you like best (sound and COMFORT) is to try them in your own home on your own equipment with your own music.  We all have biases, preferences and different head sizes, and we each hear things our own way.  I love the advice and the discussions on this site (the only thing this site drains more of than my money is my time) but if you intend to spend large quantities of money you really need to try these cans for yourself first.

post #38 of 109

In your price range i would look at either LCD-2s, or a used set of HE-6s, both do metal very well, but i would think with your worries that the HE-6s would be better. THey have more bite, and more treble presence. but you will need to get a speaker amp to use with them, headphone amps will not make them sound good. Even something cheap like a used reciever or cheap emotiva amp will drive them well. though of course they will scale with better amps as well.

 

I still dont understand the recommendations for grados for metal. I guess its just because that's how it's always been. but i view the vast majority of modern grados to be broken, and wouldn't listen to anything on them, specially not metal...but maybe that's just me rolleyes.gif

 

Oh and i listen to Metal almost exclusively, something that Happy Camper can vouch for :D something else you might want to look into if you arent wanting to get something as demanding as a HE-6 would be to look at the higher end customs. My JH-13s do metal very very well.

post #39 of 109

 I use the T1, HE-6's and LCD2.2's depending on my mood. All are excellent for rock/metal although I don't listen to the more extreme versions on metal.

 

The HE-6 also do an excellent job on rock/metal with the 'right' headphone amp. Anyone who says anything different just has not heard the right headphone amp.

 

I would also add that once you you have a high quality source and the right amp you have to upgrade the stock HE-6 cable. Upgrading mine to Toxic Silver Poison made a massive difference in my system.

post #40 of 109
Thread Starter 
I dont know about getting the HE-6 yet, but Im dtill considering it. Is the HE-500 as good as the HE-6 for rock and metal?

@Jerg
Yeah, I guess they are really different, but at least I'll know if I prefer a dark or bright signature. To be honest, I might just keep the HE-400 instead of getting an LCD-2/grado, its also a fantastic headphone.
post #41 of 109

Surprised there was only one vote for AD-2000. From everything I've tried nothing even comes close to its PRAT. Great tight bass, clear details, fast as a hell.

post #42 of 109
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Surprised there was only one vote for AD-2000. From everything I've tried nothing even comes close to its PRAT. Great tight bass, clear details, fast as a hell.

thanks for reminding me! I heard the upper mids in these are great, which should be good for guitars and such.

post #43 of 109
Oops. Alz setting in.
Edited by Happy Camper - 10/26/12 at 4:55pm
post #44 of 109
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@Happy Camper

 

Is a guitar amp capable of driving the HE-6? I asked you this before, but I'm not sure if guitar amps are even supposed to drive anything, so this may be a stupid question lol. Is it possible to use a guitar amp to drive a HP, or is it not supposed to do that?

post #45 of 109
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

@Happy Camper

 

Is a guitar amp capable of driving the HE-6? I asked you this before, but I'm not sure if guitar amps are even supposed to drive anything, so this may be a stupid question lol. Is it possible to use a guitar amp to drive a HP, or is it not supposed to do that?

it would obviously make sound, whether or not it sounded good, i doubt that, most guitar amps are very high distortion on purpose. youd be much better suited getting a cheap speaker amp like an Emotiva

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