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Hi. I'm the one who wrote the review for soundandvisionmag.com and produced the graph in question. The methodology and equipment I used are spelled out in the review right here. It's all industry-standard equipment, purchased by me personally (at considerable expense, especially for a freelancer). I've spent countless hours reading the available materials on headphone measurement, consulting with manufacturers on the subject, and discussing my process with the U.S. distributor of the measurement system to make sure it's as accurate as possible.

 

It's worth noting that while headphone measurements tend to vary at the frequency extremes - due to different types of measurement equipment, use of different calibration curves, varying fit of the headphones on the test device, etc. - they tend to be consistent in the midrange. In fact, at the frequencies in question here (about 300 to 700 Hz), the correction in the calibration curve is less than 1 dB.

 

Some of the music that I and the two other panelists listened to is also listed. We try our best to explain our methods and make our process transparent. And I'm proud that we do have a serious process in place for testing headphones, which most websites and magazines do not.

 

Of course, none of that means any one listener's subjective impression of a product will agree with our review. We hope that the reviews we present will hold true for at least a majority of listeners, though.
 


My impression from your review was that they are overly bright.  Would you say that is accurate in your opinion or did I misread?

post #62 of 495
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So maybe there's some ground to the marketing speech about the Yamaha after all. ^^

 

 

Though that it's advertised for portable use and a bit flashier design and is very efficient etc doesn't typically give the image of a high quality / studio kind of sound reproduction but some1 got to be the first eh? :p


Denon has a similar boastful speech, so I am skeptical of marketing-speak, but I have been back and forth rationalizing if the PRO 500 would be great or terrible and now I must try them!

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More details... NOW tongue.gif

 

Don't you hear any dip in the lower-mids like some FR graph suggested earlier? What about male vocals, rock music etc. What about comparision to other headphones? Hadn't you also tested for example M100?


@Beagle +1 x 1000

post #64 of 495
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My impression from your review was that they are overly bright.  Would you say that is accurate in your opinion or did I misread?

 

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@Beagle +1 x 1000

 

Not unless you find the UE6000 bright. After using the K550, for example, the Yamaha sounds warm in the treble. By itself, I find the Yamaha warm but with a crisp but non-bright treble. I am finding (after a week of listening) that the upper bass/lower midrange is a bit too pronounced, and pop/rock bass lines become too obvious, yet lack boom and drone. It is a very unusual coloration. Or maybe it's just a part of the spectrum where many headphones dip. One gets used to it though and it does make classical music sound wonderful. Some may actually like it. Other than that, everything sounds very smooth and non-peaky. Overall, the PRO 500 has a sense of richness and power and sounds very assured. Think of the UE6000 with less midbass bloat and a bit more treble presence. Maybe they sound more the the M100, which I have not heard. But I doubt the M100 has an upper bass/lower midrange emphasis.

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Not unless you find the UE6000 bright. After using the K550, for example, the Yamaha sounds warm in the treble. By itself, I find the Yamaha warm but with a crisp but non-bright treble. I am finding (after a week of listening) that the upper bass/lower midrange is a bit too pronounced, and pop/rock bass lines become too obvious, yet lack boom and drone. It is a very unusual coloration. Or maybe it's just a part of the spectrum where many headphones dip. One gets used to it though and it does make classical music sound wonderful. Some may actually like it. Other than that, everything sounds very smooth and non-peaky. Overall, the PRO 500 has a sense of richness and power and sounds very assured. Think of the UE6000 with less midbass bloat and a bit more treble presence. Maybe they sound more the the M100, which I have not heard. But I doubt the M100 has an upper bass/lower midrange emphasis.


Thank you.  I think I have an excellent idea of their sound and would probably like them very much, but they may be too similar to my M-100 to warrant an additional purchase.  I just listened to Fiona Apple's Idler Wheel CD and was very pleased with her vocal presence, imaging and detail on the M-100.  I am hopeful a local retailer will offer the Pro 500 in the near future so that I can A/B them.

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post #67 of 495
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Originally Posted by navii View Post

A new review from pcmag:

 

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2413643,00.asp


Good review.  I re-read the S&V review and it was quite favorable overall as well, plus several positive comments here.  If anyone can confirm that the PRO 500 can give the Ultrasone Signature line a run for the money, I might need to order one.

post #68 of 495

Would also be interesting to hear anything about PRO400. :)

post #69 of 495
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Good review.  I re-read the S&V review and it was quite favorable overall as well, plus several positive comments here.  If anyone can confirm that the PRO 500 can give the Ultrasone Signature line a run for the money, I might need to order one.

 

I haven't heard the Signature phones ( I have heard the HFI2200, PRO750 and PROline2400) but I am going to spend a few days comparing the PRO 500 with the PSB M4U1. When I A/B them, they initially sound very similar. This usually only happens when you A/B similar headphones, like Grados, or the HD600 after the HD650. I still hear an upper bass coloration that enhances some types of music and annoys with others. There are also potential comfort issues.

post #70 of 495
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Would also be interesting to hear anything about PRO400. :)

 

http://www.digitaltrends.com/headphone-reviews/yamaha-pro-400-review/

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Along with the S&V review, this is the second to indicate the signature of the Yamaha line to be overly bright.

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Well, the PRO 500 is definitely not bright. Think of the UE6000 with a bit less midbass (more upper bass and lower midrange) and a bit more clarity up top. Compared to the 500, the K550 and K167 are bright. Given my druthers, I would wish for just a bit more lower treble energy in the 500.

 

I am assuming the PRO 400 is voiced much differently than the 500. But they do sound rather appealing. 

post #73 of 495
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Well, the PRO 500 is definitely not bright. Think of the UE6000 with a bit less midbass (more upper bass and lower midrange) and a bit more clarity up top. Compared to the 500, the K550 and K167 are bright. Given my druthers, I would wish for just a bit more lower treble energy in the 500.

 

I am assuming the PRO 400 is voiced much differently than the 500. But they do sound rather appealing. 


@Beagle- What would you say is your favorite closed headphone right now?

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@Beagle- What would you say is your favorite closed headphone right now?

 

I find closed headphone sound signatures are even more varied than open ones. I really like the K550, Pioneer SE-MJ591, UE6000, PSB M4U1, Focal Spirit One and the PRO500. Also like the Diamond Tears and B&W P3. And they all sound different from one another and I enjoy them all.

 

If I could only pick ONE to keep, it would have to be the M4U1. I find it the most accurate in balance and overall sonics. If I could have two, I'd add the Yamaha PRO 500, and grab the K550 when no one was looking. 

post #75 of 495
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post

 

I find closed headphone sound signatures are even more varied than open ones. I really like the K550, Pioneer SE-MJ591, UE6000, PSB M4U1, Focal Spirit One and the PRO500. Also like the Diamond Tears and B&W P3. And they all sound different from one another and I enjoy them all.

 

If I could only pick ONE to keep, it would have to be the M4U1. I find it the most accurate in balance and overall sonics. If I could have two, I'd add the Yamaha PRO 500, and grab the K550 when no one was looking. 


Great info, thanks.  I have high hopes for this one.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646735/nad-viso-hp50-another-superb-headphone-from-paul-barton#post_9066175


Edited by Craigster75 - 1/18/13 at 6:08pm
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