Yamaha PRO Headphones. - Page 22

Dealing with someone who is dense, obsessive, and has very delicate sensibilities is often times frustrating. 

Its so strange, as frustrating as he was I'm actually missing money4me247's dense, obsessiveness today.... bless him 

Honestly, I could do without "input" by people who haven't tried these headphones or even held these in their hands. It's very, very misleading to anyone who might be interested in these and the 500s are the last headphones that deserve false input. Hope people will post more actual impressions instead.

The more I listen to these the more I feel they are just an amazing all-rounder. The separation reminds me of the DT1350 while they have PRaT that is similar to the HD25/Amperior. Everything sounds very clean, and all the while the tonality is just ridiculously good. I should add that the isolation is great for portable use too. Isolates better than my former 1R.
Edited by roma101 - 3/6/13 at 7:49pm

 

just since you said that I'll respond. but hahaha... now I know better than to go to a thread about a certain brand of headphones and say anything negative about the topic of the thread. However, based on the responses I am getting I feel like people aren't accurately interpreting/understanding my comments.

 

 

@everyone who says that everyone hears differently, so you can't trust reviews. If people can't trust reviews, then why should people trust your positive opinions on the Pro 500? My whole point is that everyone hears differently & prefers different sound signatures, so it does NOT make sense for the Yamaha sound signature to be priced higher lol. Didn't seem like a crazy concept to me.

 

While the majority of you are basing your opinions on your personal listening experience, I read through a lot of different reviews. From what I've read of comparisons & stand-alone reviews, there are enough people who prefer other headphones in the lower $300 price range that would make me think that the pro 500 should also be thrown in that price range. I don't understand what is so controversial or offensive about that.

 

Another example of this line of thinking is that a lot of people prefer the sound of the $120 M50 over the $300 Beats. Hence, I think that the Beats are overpriced and should be priced down to that level.

 

All I am saying is that there does not seem to be an objective reason why the Pro 500's are better than many of its $300 competitors. You guys may subjectively like the Pro 500's sound quality more, but there are a lot of other reviewers that subjectively liked the other $300 headphones sound quality more. Does that point make sense to everyone?

 

Also, the only comment I made about their sound quality is that they have a v-shaped sound signature. Basically the almost all of reviewers on Head-Fi reviewing the Pro 500 either talked about the bass boost or specifically mentioned a v-shaped sound signature (except maybe roma101), so I would imagine that characterization of their sound is accurate lol.

 

Or simple version:

 

Everyone hears differently. Everyone has different sound signature preferences. Some people like the Pro 500, but there are also a lot of people that prefer the sound quality of other competing headphones in the $300 price range over the $400 Pro 500. Hence, $400 is too much for these headphones as there is no objective reason that I discovered why these headphones are better than those other portable, closed headphones.

 

A lot of people are getting stuck on the fact I didn't personally audition these headphones, but I read enough comparisons and stand-alone reviews to get a sense of their basic sound signature and the fact that they are not universally considered to be an upgrade in sound quality compared to other closed portable $300 headphones. From what I've read, I am pretty confident is saying that they simply have a different sound signature that you personally may or may not prefer.

Edited by money4me247 - 3/7/13 at 12:41am

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I'll explain this better. You can't say that reading impressions is as valid as hearing them for yourself. Nobody said not to trust reviews, but it's silly to just read reviews and think you know how something sounds.
Edited by Ishcabible - 3/7/13 at 5:03am

straw man back at you. I NEVER said I know exactly how they sound or made any comment about their sound except that they are colored. Even the Yamaha product page talks about their bass-boost. lol. All of my claims about these headphones are accurate and independently verifiable and I never made any assumptions or personal comments about their sound quality.

 

My point was simply that the $400 Pro 500 have been compared to cheaper headphones ~$300 (ex: Mad Dogs, M100, MDR-1R, Momentum, UE6000, K550, etc) and sometimes the cheaper $300 headphones beat the Pro 500. Therefore, I concluded that the Pro 500 must simply have a slightly different sound signature that you may or may not prefer. I never went into detail about what this sound signature is, because as you said, I didn't hear them. I just thought it is absurd that you would have to pay $100 extra to get the "Yamaha Pro 500 sound signature" especially when some reviewers thought that the sound signature of competing $300 headphones were better. Also, when they offer an almost identical product: the Pro 400 at $300... I can to the conclusion that the Pro 500 are overpriced as the addition of aluminium earcups are not worth $100 in my own personal opinion.

 

Man, I don't understand why everyone keeps focusing on the fact that I didn't personally hear them. That is completely unrelated to my point! I am NOT reviewing their sound quality/signature. Yes, I didn't personally hear them, but when you jump from the $300 bracket to the $400 price bracket (33% increase), you would expect that there is a definite upgrade in sound quality and you would expect that this upgrade in sound quality to be observed in objective comparison reviews. I was just pointing out that this is not the case, so I don't think that they are worth their selling price.

 

Your comments without personal experience is next to nothing really. We all can read those reviews and make our own opinions.

 

I personally have Sony MDR-1R and Hifiman HE-400 and I really think Pro 500 is well worth the money.

You've already been warned by Currawong. At that point, you should probably stop. As will I because this is pointless. I just don't understand why you're so hellbent to convince people, even people who own the headphone, that a headphone you haven't heard is poor for its price point because of a sound signature it may or may not have.
Edited by Ishcabible - 3/8/13 at 4:43am

 

If you have not heard either of them, you know nothing about them and therefore have no opinion.

 

Diminishing returns my friend,

diminishing returns...

 

This diagram will probably do good to you lol:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/2175#post_8833999

 

TH900s usually sell for $1700 to $2000... they have the "Fostex" U-shape sound similar to discontinued Denon D5000/D7000 (which you can find used from $400 to $800) and STILL people "prefer" the TH900s... They have VERY SIMILAR sound but still, some people just prefer TH900 tonality and more present mids and detailing and don't care about spending $1000 bucks extra... If YOU cannot hear the differences, then stick with the D5000/7000. Some people prefer the slight sound and build improvements and pay the money. Someone like you who looks for a similar sound signature WITHOUT going overboard would just stick with the Denons...

 

It's all in the way you perceive music... maybe WE (the people that liked how the Pro 500s sounded) just like these more than the current competition and we BELIEVE THAT THE PRICE IS GOOD AT $400 over the others!

 

LOL! This is a bit harsh Beagle! I know where he is coming from though, same thing happens to me with amps... still, it's about what you prefer to hear and SPEND! We are Ok spending $400 and benefitting from the sound/musical upgrade... he is not (and should not therefore go to the $500-$800 range because most of them will have similar signatures and might consider them not worth it! :-p ).

Well I just returned my pair, had them for about a week.  The clarity and separation was outstanding but I kept finding my self rasing the volume to hear the vocals and all I kept hearing was more bass and treble which lead me to my refund. 

 

My M50's maintain more foward mids than the pro 500s.  

 

Really? I abhorred the M50's mids. If the PRO500 has less, I'm looking elsewhere.

That is not the case to my ears but everyone is different. The highs are very much emphasized on the M50s which causes me not to wear them portably in loud environments and so I've felt that they are much more V-shaped. The 500s are more balanced across the spectrum to my ears despite there being a slight emphasis on bass.

Edited by roma101 - 3/8/13 at 2:49pm