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post #181 of 493
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Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

wonder how the 400 compares

 

Here's a comparison : http://www.custom-cable.co.uk/blog/yamaha-hph-pro400-review-versus-hph-pro500/

post #182 of 493
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Originally Posted by retrophonic View Post

Would you say the Ultrasone Signature Pro's are an upgrade, and if so, how do they compare?

 

Cannot answer definitively yet, but bear in mind, I think that the Signature Pros are THE BEST SOUNDING PORTABLE closed-back headphones out right now.

post #183 of 493

hmm, if he says the momentums to be more accurate, i maybe should pas the yamahas.

post #184 of 493
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Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

hmm, if he says the momentums to be more accurate, i maybe should pas the yamahas.

You really should give them a listen first, I returned my Momentums for these.

post #185 of 493
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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

 

Cannot answer definitively yet, but bear in mind, I think that the Signature Pros are THE BEST SOUNDING PORTABLE closed-back headphones out right now.


As a Signature DJ owner, I am looking forward to your comparison as well.

post #186 of 493

I think before dismissing them, it would be good to give them a listen for yourself. From what I have read, apparently the Momentum is a bit slow-sounding and the soundstage is not narrow. I still would like to give them a listen, however, I can say that the Yamahas are not slow and have plenty of PRaT, sound good with all genres and have good soundstage. Definitely does not feel like it's in my head. YMMV.

 

On another note, would love the give the Sig Pros a try. gelocks how would you say the bass compares to the 500? I would imagine it's more neutral.


Edited by roma101 - 2/13/13 at 10:27am
post #187 of 493

but they will have less sub bass rumble than the m100s, right?

post #188 of 493

So the PRO 500s don't have a lower-mid dip as the graphs show? I wish someone else would make measurements to cross-check the graphs from sound&vision.

post #189 of 493
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Originally Posted by roma101 View Post

I think before dismissing them, it would be good to give them a listen for yourself. From what I have read, apparently the Momentum is a bit slow-sounding and the soundstage is not narrow. I still would like to give them a listen, however, I can say that the Yamahas are not slow and have plenty of PRaT, sound good with all genres and have good soundstage. Definitely does not feel like it's in my head. YMMV.

 

On another note, would love the give the Sig Pros a try. gelocks how would you say the bass compares to the 500? I would imagine it's more neutral.

 

Well, still finding the bass a bit boomy on the 500s, so yes, the Sig Pros most surprising treat is that it is indeed different from their other headphones (i.e. no overwhelming bass, no overwhelming highs, mids are not as recessed!). But, I believe in my mind "getting used to" sound signatures so I'm still a long way to go before I write these out. Right now using the Mad Dogs but will get home soon and keep on listening. I don't find the 500s harsh at least (which is good!) but need to go through my list of test songs to test for sibilance, vocal detail, etc.

post #190 of 493

Cool, looking forward to your eventual write-up ^^

post #191 of 493
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Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

but they will have less sub bass rumble than the m100s, right?


Not sure, I have yet to try the M-100 but hope to compare them soon.

post #192 of 493
looking foreward to this.
post #193 of 493

Ok, so I took time to write a couple of things regarding these guys. This is mostly "preliminary" as I'm one of those that feel sound signature grows once you give a lot of listening time to gear. Anyway, mini review.

 

Pros: Impactful sound, bass extension and impact is present, feels sturdy, good accessories.
Cons: Bass overpowers lower mids (quantity is too much), puts pressure on top of the head, they are HUGE!


Introduction:


THIS HOBBY SUCKS!!!
You read this right! lol


I thought I was done buying headphones for a while as I think I found what I was after with MrSpeakers Mad Dogs and Ultrasone Signature Pros but, as always, new ones come along that you just get the "itch" to try and this is exactly what happened and why I got these (and why I still want to try the Ultrasone Signature DJs and the Paradox ;-))

 

Anyway, on with the show.


Yamaha Pro 500
Stats:

 

Circumaural

Closed 50 mm neodymium drivers
Adjustable headband
20 – 20,000 Hz frequency response
106 dB/mW sensitivity
23 ohms impedance


Package Contents:

* 1/4th adapter
* 2 detachable cables (1 with controls)
* Sturdy good looking case
* Stickers and a wipe
* Manual


Comfort and build:

 

As listed on top, one of the "cons" (at least for me) is that the headphones are HUGE! In fact, I haven't even used the "adjustable" part of the headband. Basically, without extending it, it fits good for me (I'm thinking that someone with a tiny head, or maybe a woman, will not be able to enjoy listening to these! Maybe they'll fit a bit loose? Not sure). Bear in mind though, that this may happen only to me? I'm kind of long-faced (lol), pinhead type or something like that. What this does though is put pressure on top of my head :-( It becomes uncomfortable after a few songs so I have to keep adjusting them to mitigate the pressure. Extending the headband makes the headphones loose so, Gelocks is Sad!

 

Even though the headphones as a whole are Huge, the ear pads are tiny. Comparing them side by side (I'll try to include photos once I get home or later on during the day) to my Signature Pros and my Mad Dogs, it is very apparent. BUT I do have to say that they feel very good once touching the ears. For someone with big ears it might actually feel like an on-ear headphone though but at least to me they feel better than the V-Moda M100s.

 

Build quality seems top-notch. Not sure how much pressure the plastic can widthstand but they seem to be sturdy enough. Paint quality (I have the blue ones) is great! Really lights up the room and everyone ask which brand it is ;-). They DO look like Beats clones though which might be a problem for some and as mentioned earlier, the size makes you feel like you have a "Halo" or something.

 

I guess that's all I have to say about that so let's go to...


Sound:

 

These impressions are done using/listening my usual test songs:

 

Damian Marley - Welcome to Jamrock
Thrice - To Awake and Avenge the Dead
Miguel Bose - Este Mundo Va
Kaskade - Fire in your Shoes
Blink182 - Kaleidoscope
Jon Cleary - When you Get back
Mima - Oigo Voces
Esperanza Spalding - What a Friend
Sara Bareilles - Vegas
Killswitch Engage - Fixation on the Darkness
Juancho - Pillala
Boston - More than a Feeling
J-King y Maximan - Ella me Pide Something
Calvin Harris - Feel so Close
Tenacious D - The Metal
Three Six Mafia - Late Night Tip


First off... These guys GO LOUD!!!!! I'm using: Cowon C2 --> Schiit Magni --> phones.
IMPACTFUL bass! Lots of Quantity and good quality actually. Listening to Jon Cleary's "When you Get Back" it's actually a treat and I think this track shows the abilities of the Pro 500s. Stepping to something more "club-like" such as Kaskade's "Fire in your Shoes" and Calvin Harris "Feel so Close" is actually a very good experience carrying enough bass and sub-bass to make the headphones shake and rattle a bit at high volumes. And talking about sub-bass, "Late Night Tip" by Three Six Mafia is one track with CONSTANT bass and sub-bass attack and the Pro 500s handle it quite well, no complaints (very similar to how the Denon D600s and V-Moda M100s handle it... this is from memory of course.)

 

Falling Down to a more laid back type of track, "Oigo Voces" by Mima, her voice stands out as it should in the recording, once the bass line starts it again provides good presence, separation is very good. Continuing with Esperanza Spalding's "What a Friend" piano doesn't sound as natural to me in comparison with the Mad Dogs or Sig Pros, not sure if it is because of the bass response not being as fast or a recess in the mids. And speaking about that, some tracks with male vocals don't sound as forward but again, not sure if it's due to the Bass being a bit boosted/boomy, or slow decay/response, or recessed mids. Maybe it's a combination. Either way, it's NOT unpleasant! So don't get me wrong.


In conclusion:

 

Big bass,
Ok mids/upper mids (female vocals sound better and more forward than males, so might have a bit of a recess),
Good highs (I could not detect not even a good deal of sibilance, on some tracks they were just a BIT harsh or at least reaching the limits in which I would say that the highs hurt my ears...).
Sound Stage/sound separation is very good (I find it a bit better than the Mad Dogs and on-par with the Sig Pros!)


If I were to order closed cans by preference (the ones I have tried)

 

Comfort: Mad Dogs --> D5000s --> Sony MDR-1R --> Denon D600 --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Signature Pro --> SRH940 --> A900X --> V-MODA M100
(this is taking into consideration both earpad and headband feel)

 

Build: Signature Pro --> Mad Dogs --> A900X --> Denon D600 --> Sony MDR-1R --> V-MODA M100 -->  Yamaha Pro 500 --> D5000s --> SRH940
(if you wonder why the M100s ranked low, cracked wing-tips on supposedly indestructible headphones! BAH!)

 

Sound Quality: Signature Pro --> Mad Dogs --> D5000s --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Sony MDR-1R --> V-Moda M100 --> Denon D600 --> A900X --> SRH940s (note, ALL of these have a GREAT sound and some are "special" on specific genres, but when nitpicking, this is how I would choose them)

 

Contents: V-Moda M100 --> Signature Pro --> Yamaha Pro 500 --> Denon D600 --> SRH940 --> Sony MDR-1R --> Mad Dogs --> D5000 == A900x

 

Conclusion:

 

All in all, the final verdict is what counts, either YAY or NAY... Sound-wise these are definitely a YAY!!! Someone looking for "good sounding big bass having headphones" can see these Yamahas as a very good purchase! Not only is the bass at full throttle but the whole spectrum seems alright to my ears except some "unnaturalness" and recess in the mids/lower mids (probably due to boost in bass).

 

If you ask: "well, why should I choose these instead of the M100s, Denon D600s or any other "bassy" headphone?
And the answer is... depends on what you are looking for... Some people like different styles, some people have different ear/head shapes, some people might value comfort more than anything else. If it were to sound and only sound, I WOULD take these over the D600s and M100s!
(M100s would be second, D600s would be third)


The other usual question would be: "Is the price right for these Yamahas?" And here it gets tricky. I FEEL the cost of these headphones is quite
alright for what they bring to the table:

 

- Good Sound
- Good (if similar to other brand) style
- Great deal of accessories
- Proven name brand

 

Current prices put the M100s as cheaper by $100 and the D600s cheaper by $60 or so (if you get them through fumfie.com new). Bearing in mind this, would I still choose the Yamahas? I would say Yes.

 

As always YMMV, it all depends on your taste! Hopefully I could provide an idea with these impressions and whenever one has a chance to test all or any of these headphones I have mentioned, do it!!! Always trust your ears.

 


Good luck to whoever reads this.

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post #194 of 493

@gelocks- Great comparison!  From your description, the voicing of the PRO 500 sounds similar to the Signature DJ and the PRO 500 has a respectable cost-to-performance ratio.  How does midrange detail compare to M-100?  Would you say the PRO 500 sounds similar to the M-100, but with brighter highs, or do they have a different sound?  What did you prefer about the MDR-1R that it ranks so high in SQ?
 


Edited by Craigster75 - 2/14/13 at 11:22am
post #195 of 493
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

@gelocks- Great comparison!  From your description, the voicing of the PRO 500 sounds similar to the Signature DJ and the PRO 500 has a respectable cost-to-performance ratio.  How does midrange detail compare to M-100?  Would you say the PRO 500 sounds similar to the M-100, but with brighter highs, or do they have a different sound?  What did you prefer about the MDR-1R that it ranks so high in SQ?
 

 

Hi Craig.

 

The tonality of the midrange is actually QUITE similar to the M100s! I feel that the M100s "recessed" mids take over a bit more of the mid-range (i.e. I found on some instances that even female vocals were not quite up to par!) and the Pro 500s have more present highs (again this is from memory). So, again, I find them similar in a lot of ways. Sound stage is a bit more wide on the Pro 500s also.

 

I like me some mids... I found the mids lacking on the M100s. The Sony's on the other hand have a bit "boosted" mids (especially those upper mids) which sometimes I found fatiguing. So it was a trade-off. The MDR-1R are not a HUGE jump in sound quality, just a different type of "voicing". In fact, the jump in sound quality on all of that list is minimal (all have THEIR signature) as I actually like ALL of them! ;-)

 

P.S. YGPM


Edited by gelocks - 2/14/13 at 11:57am
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