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post #601 of 1743
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Originally Posted by RichieE46 View Post
 

Just got mine today...and it's not working on my AT&T S4...

I hope its just something I'm doing wrong...otherwise I'm really disappointed.

USB is plugged into the "DAC" portion and switch is set to "DAC"

Power on via volume knob and the device recognizes a USB device. However, when I try poweramp/soundcloud the music doesn't output anything and it literally flies through each song and I can see the seek bar go in maybe ~20 sec jumps.

Anyone get it to work with AT&T S4?

 

I believe someone on here ran into the same issue with their S4. Apparently you need to be on Android 4.3 in order to get it to work properly. Same for me on my LG G2, have to be on 4.3  Check to see if there is a 4.3 update for your phone. 

post #602 of 1743
I was looking to pick up a DAC/AMP to compliment my HTC One (ATT). The release of the E18 seemed to be a perfect addition, but after reading a good portion of this thread I'm not so sure. Many people seem to be having issues with the S4 and other "unsupported" devices but has anyone used the E18 successfully (or not) with the HTC One from Att?
post #603 of 1743
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Originally Posted by theant View Post

I was looking to pick up a DAC/AMP to compliment my HTC One (ATT). The release of the E18 seemed to be a perfect addition, but after reading a good portion of this thread I'm not so sure. Many people seem to be having issues with the S4 and other "unsupported" devices but has anyone used the E18 successfully (or not) with the HTC One from Att?

I haven't seen anyone with an HTC One make any comments in the thread. I do think that having Android 4.3 is a must so far though. Most who have switched over to 4.3 (including me) have gotten the E18 to work. 

post #604 of 1743
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Originally Posted by Sushiglobster View Post

I haven't seen anyone with an HTC One make any comments in the thread. I do think that having Android 4.3 is a must so far though. Most who have switched over to 4.3 (including me) have gotten the E18 to work. 

Thanks for the reply. Thus far ATT/HTC have provided no updates to Android since I've purchased the phone. I'm still stuck on the 4.1.2 stock rom. I'm hoping that someone has been successful with the E18 and HTC one though. It's supposed to be supported so... confused.gif
post #605 of 1743
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Originally Posted by theant View Post

Thanks for the reply. Thus far ATT/HTC have provided no updates to Android since I've purchased the phone. I'm still stuck on the 4.1.2 stock rom. I'm hoping that someone has been successful with the E18 and HTC one though. It's supposed to be supported so... confused.gif

4.1.x should be fine as well. That's what I'm running in my note II.
post #606 of 1743

Regarding interference: I've been getting a little, but not a lot. I cut up a couple of those plastic lined foil zip-seal bags (2 bags = 4 layers in total) and put it between them and it seems to cut out the majority of interference (save for some occasional spots of hissing).

 

What I can find on the internet seems to indicate that it shouldn't work, but it seems to be working for me anyway.

post #607 of 1743

I just wanted to post a quick update on this DAC/amp.

 

Android 4.3 has cured my e18 woes and it is working fine.   I still get some interference and I didn't mention it before but there is a low hum with the bass boost turned on.

 

I usually don't do anything else if I am listening to music and I won't be using the bass boost so I have decided to keep the e18. 

post #608 of 1743

Very brief review on Headfonia:

 

http://www.headfonia.com/fiios-android-dac-the-e18/

post #609 of 1743

Are there any holsters (or something) that would be good for holding a Galaxy S4 + E18? Or even better, perhaps a case?


Edited by ABx009 - 11/14/13 at 8:08am
post #610 of 1743
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Originally Posted by skyline315 View Post
 

Very brief review on Headfonia:

 

http://www.headfonia.com/fiios-android-dac-the-e18/

 

While I'm not usually too hard on brief review blurbs, this short review seems fairly half baked and *unreasonably* irked me. [Note: I know that this response is being a bit unreasonable.] This reaction is probably because I'm interested in the device, and I want to see more effective reviews of it. I think my comments on this short blurb might be longer than the review itself:

 

I. Structure & Consistency - Mike starts in his introduction talking about how the sound is the most important thing, and that other reviews spend their time on "ergonomics or features or accessories supplied." Then, he spends a single paragraph on sound and nearly two paragraphs (of a four paragraph piece) discussing the enclosure quality and ergonomics/size, the straight interconnect, and the battery pack functionality. In other words, he does expressly what he critiques in his first paragraph. His last commentary in the review itself is on the build quality of E18 enclosure - not the kind of takeaway to leave your reader with if your review is focused on the sound!

 

II. Example, Comparison & Analogy - He's comparing the E18 with ....well, that's a good question. It doesn't feel like there's any structure or criteria for comparison. One minute he's mentioning the FiiO with dedicated DAP's (albeit with the disclaimer that he's "not even doing a comparison" versus higher priced DAPs); the next he's comparing it against other FiiO portable amps. 

 

The E18 needs a comparison against it's direct competitors, for sure. Lets get a comparison against the Venturecraft DAC Amps and the V-Moda Vamp Versa, and against Android compatible portable DAC/amps. It also should be compared directly against mid-fi portables (X3, iPods/iPhones, the DX50, etc. are certainly fair game). Most importantly, the E18 needs to be compared to **the stock sound of the DAC/Amp in the Smartphone itself.** This is an upgrade device, and it should be compared against what it's upgrading.

 

However, making the first example in a review be an Altmann Tera Player example is just really, really unfair. (Yes, it was an feature comparison to establish that sound > all. But, the first use of example fixes comparative expectations.)

 

There are even problems with internal consistency. One minute, Mike is saying that, "The E12-derived enclosure however needs a big deal of an improvement" and in the next he's commenting, "I think Fiio can do better than this. Especially the enclosure quality, while it was okay with the Fiio E10 two years ago, 2014 is coming and I think they need to invest in a new facility just to churn out high quality enclosures for Fiio’s products. Then they can go back to kicking ass." The basis of enclosure comparison shifts from the E12 to the E10 amp, which is important for Mike's time assertion that a two year old design is out of date - note that in his review of the Mont Blanc (linked below) from January of this year there were no particular complaints against the E12's design. In that review, it's described as "a nicer brushed aluminum packaging." What a difference a year makes!

 

III. Damning with Faint Praise - This review reads like a negative review, even though it apparently isn't. Like a lot of audio product reviews, it's does a weird amount of fence sitting. Mike's principle critiques are that the sound is has an emphasized low end and is lacking in resolution/micro detail. It's also not airy enough. But then he says: 

 

"It does the job well, that is performing an external D to A conversion from an Android device."

"Overall I do admit that the E18′s sound is more enjoyable [than the E17]"

"Overall I’d give it a good score. It does the job and I can live with the sound." 

 

Despite this, it seems that the review simply feels that the E18 doesn't "kick ass" as it were. It doesn't blow Mike away. How could the E18 have blown him away? If FiiO had "invest[ed] in a new facility just to churn out high quality enclosures for Fiio’s products." No. No. No. I thought the review started off the review saying that it was all about the sound? Shouldn't making it kick ass mean that they corrected the perceived problems in sound - not sticking the same thing in a nicer box?

 

IV. Mote and Speck - The E18 has some real problems. First and foremost, the Android ecosystem and hardware are so damned fractured that just purchasing the E18 is like spinning a roulette wheel and putting some of your money on Red 12. This is especially true if the place you bought it has a restocking fee, or if you got it off eBay. FiiO didn't do a good job testing or providing information on compatibility, even on the most purchased phones/manufacturer flagships. Moreover, there are also significant reports of interference problems that plague a large number of these types of portable Android compatible devices. (I had to send an iBasso D-Zero back for this exact reason despite loving the sound paired with my Note 2). Reviewers should take these problems on as directly as possible. These are deal breaking for a lot of people who would love to try this device out.

 

Mike can do way better than this! Check out his review of the E12 Mont Blanc (http://www.headfonia.com/fiios-power-pack-the-fiio-e12-mont-blanc/) which does spend almost the entire time on the sound quality and device capabilities. Quit phoning it in, dammit!

 

This is a product that people are pretty interested in as there is is more and more demand for digital device convergence. Look at the interest in the Vamp Versa despite it's high price point: it's clear that people would like to use their smartphone more as their audio player, and are willing to invest money into improvements that make that a more enjoyable experience.

post #611 of 1743

Well, Austin...

 

I have a lot of problems with a lot of Mike's reviews.  :tongue:

 

But, since it's all we have at this point, I felt it was worth pointing out.

post #612 of 1743

Heck! He didn't even mention the headphones he used! To be honest, I agree with you in the whole of your point of view.

post #613 of 1743

Does anybody else find the DAC sound to be somewhat "metallic"? It doesn't happen in all of the songs, just on some of them. I don't know if it's just me of it is real. I need some more time with this device though. It might have 3 to 5 hours playing total. I am happy with it, it drives the Q701 very very well.

post #614 of 1743

Here is a question for the Android expert that follows this thread about this AMP/DAC.

I'm waiting my E18 (it will probably arrive in two weeks) and I've got several android devices to test with.

I think that my main device for listening music will be an old Galaxy S that will no longer be used as a phone but only as a media player.

I suppose that I must to find a good kernel (there is already on the last cyanogenmod stable, but I don't think that the USB OTG is enabled in this rom), but I hope that the E18 works with it.

So the question is: in addition to the USB OTG feature, there is some other system setting useful to improve the sound quality output from the DAC?

post #615 of 1743
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Originally Posted by carpler View Post
 

Here is a question for the Android expert that follows this thread about this AMP/DAC.

I'm waiting my E18 (it will probably arrive in two weeks) and I've got several android devices to test with.

I think that my main device for listening music will be an old Galaxy S that will no longer be used as a phone but only as a media player.

I suppose that I must to find a good kernel (there is already on the last cyanogenmod stable, but I don't think that the USB OTG is enabled in this rom), but I hope that the E18 works with it.

So the question is: in addition to the USB OTG feature, there is some other system setting useful to improve the sound quality output from the DAC?

 

You will most likely need to find a ROM based on 4.x.x. This way you will most likely lose the radio, as you risk damaging it if you use it as these ROMs are usually ported from nexus devices with similar hardware and never guarantee full compatibility. The audio OTG usually comes enable in any kernel based on 4.x.x. with few exceptions.

 

On the other hand, the phone needs to have OTG capability (hardware activated) and I am not 100% sure about the Galaxy S.

 

Other cool features I love to have in Android are Voodoo sound in Wolfson DACs (activated via kernel), and the DSP manager that can be added manually to virtually any ROM and provides you with EQ capabilities via the internal and the external DAC and via bluetooth as well as other goodies.


Edited by Ashade - 11/14/13 at 2:39pm
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