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post #1861 of 1873
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Originally Posted by ubermarky View Post

My e18's USB in port recently stopped working.  When I plug it into my macbook pro (with the switch set to PC IN), it charges but doesn't get recognized as an output device.  I've also tried attaching my galaxy through the mini-usb cables and also can't get it to work (switch set to phone in).  

Is there somewhere I can send it to get repaired?
It looks like two philips screws to be removed from the bottom and then, depending how handy you are with a soldering iron, a quick £2 job to swap out the micro usb port.
post #1862 of 1873

I had a similar problem after having it without charge for a while (just forgot it, don't hate me audiophiles). I don't know if this will work for you, but try changing the USB port on the FiiO, like give it charge, make it give charge, back and forth for a few times. Suddenly mine started working again, no hassles. Don't know if we had the same issue, or the same cause, but it may be worth trying.

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thanks for the tip i'll give it a try!

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What's the consensus on the E18 when it's used purely as a DAC? I've been looking at upgrading my ODAC & thought I might order a cable to connect my E18 to a Project Polaris to see if I can hear any difference. The cable arrived today & I'm sitting here listening but not sure what I'm hearing. It's not so easy to swap DAC's & I'm not sure I'll retain an accurate memory of the sound after switching. What I do seem to be noticing though is that the E18 is quieter. Does that make sense? It's perhaps more laid back than the ODAC but I'm not sure if it's just my imagination.

 

I'd appreciate it if anyone can chime in with their impressions.

 

Cheers.

post #1865 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post
 

What's the consensus on the E18 when it's used purely as a DAC? I've been looking at upgrading my ODAC & thought I might order a cable to connect my E18 to a Project Polaris to see if I can hear any difference. The cable arrived today & I'm sitting here listening but not sure what I'm hearing. It's not so easy to swap DAC's & I'm not sure I'll retain an accurate memory of the sound after switching. What I do seem to be noticing though is that the E18 is quieter. Does that make sense? It's perhaps more laid back than the ODAC but I'm not sure if it's just my imagination.

 

I'd appreciate it if anyone can chime in with their impressions.

 

Cheers.

I don't have an ODAC but I would suspect that any differences will be tiny if even perceptible.Comparing noise might be difficult is the volumes are not matched. If you are using windows you can connect both DACs to two different USB ports and switch them to default using the control panel Sound applet, leave the applet open. Not sure if this will really save much time.

post #1866 of 1873
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I don't have an ODAC but I would suspect that any differences will be tiny if even perceptible.Comparing noise might be difficult is the volumes are not matched. If you are using windows you can connect both DACs to two different USB ports and switch them to default using the control panel Sound applet, leave the applet open. Not sure if this will really save much time.

 

Thanks for the input Stan. I'm on a Mac but I don't really have the spare USB port I'd need to do it like that. Anyway, you're right. I still wouldn't be able to do it quick enough. There is a significant difference though. The sound from the E18 is definitely more relaxed and it also sounds a bit less in-the-head, if you know what I mean. To be honest I didn't really expect any audible difference at all which is why I've been taken aback. This is interesting.

post #1867 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post
 

 

Thanks for the input Stan. I'm on a Mac but I don't really have the spare USB port I'd need to do it like that. Anyway, you're right. I still wouldn't be able to do it quick enough. There is a significant difference though. The sound from the E18 is definitely more relaxed and it also sounds a bit less in-the-head, if you know what I mean. To be honest I didn't really expect any audible difference at all which is why I've been taken aback. This is interesting.

It is very difficult to A/B without a fast switch over. Once one has heard something it is difficult to dismiss their experience as a new potential bias. The best bet is to have someone do the switch for you without your knowledge of what was done, only to find someone that can do this effectively. The time lag will always be a problem as "Iconic Memory" is very short as in a matter of seconds. In any case one has to start somewhere and doing this starts training one to listen more carefully.

post #1868 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Thanks for the input Stan. I'm on a Mac but I don't really have the spare USB port I'd need to do it like that. Anyway, you're right. I still wouldn't be able to do it quick enough. There is a significant difference though. The sound from the E18 is definitely more relaxed and it also sounds a bit less in-the-head, if you know what I mean. To be honest I didn't really expect any audible difference at all which is why I've been taken aback. This is interesting.
I fully intended using my e18 as a DAC when I bought the Vali so I could still connect my Note 3 by usb otg but ended up buying a modi/vali stack used so didn't need to in the end. Maybe I'll get around to trying it out later and let you know my thoughts.
post #1869 of 1873
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I fully intended using my e18 as a DAC when I bought the Vali so I could still connect my Note 3 by usb otg but ended up buying a modi/vali stack used so didn't need to in the end. Maybe I'll get around to trying it out later and let you know my thoughts.

What's nice about the Note 3 is that it can drive a USB DAC without a powered Hub. I can drive my Modi 2 Uber as well as my Bifrost Uber USB2 without the Hub.

post #1870 of 1873
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Originally Posted by lawrecedent View Post


I fully intended using my e18 as a DAC when I bought the Vali so I could still connect my Note 3 by usb otg but ended up buying a modi/vali stack used so didn't need to in the end. Maybe I'll get around to trying it out later and let you know my thoughts.

 

I'd be interested in your findings. A far more knowledgeable member on another forum reckons there's virtually no difference in the DAC chips themselves and it's far more likely that any perceived difference is likely to be caused by the DAC's analogue stage. Makes sense I guess.

post #1871 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post
 

 

I'd be interested in your findings. A far more knowledgeable member on another forum reckons there's virtually no difference in the DAC chips themselves and it's far more likely that any perceived difference is likely to be caused by the DAC's analogue stage. Makes sense I guess.

It's easy to ruin the performance of the best chip by bad design or circuit layout. There's plenty of enough support circuitry required by a DAC chip.

This where good engineering pays off.

post #1872 of 1873
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post
 

 

Thanks for the input Stan. I'm on a Mac but I don't really have the spare USB port I'd need to do it like that. Anyway, you're right. I still wouldn't be able to do it quick enough. There is a significant difference though. The sound from the E18 is definitely more relaxed and it also sounds a bit less in-the-head, if you know what I mean. To be honest I didn't really expect any audible difference at all which is why I've been taken aback. This is interesting.

I've managed to A/B some DACs on a Mac with a USB hub and switching between them using either Vox preferences, or Sound preferences in System Preferences (with a Fiio HS 2 [ http://www.head-fi.org/t/659603/introduction-about-hs2-headphone-signal-switcher ] to switch the output). It worked well enough to convince me that there was a lot less difference between the DACs than I had previously thought. I can't remember how I solved the volume matching problem but I don't recall that it was too difficult. Most likely I set the volume in Sound and used that to switch, which probably compromised each DACs optimum settings, but I obviously didn't feel that it was much of a problem at the time.

 

Mind you, I've noticed (like you, IIRC) that Vox is noticably warmer than any other music player on my Mac so I'm going to repeat the tests eventually....

 

BTW, in the end I still chose the ODAC, despite the differences being too small to detect reliably in A/B/Cing (I had 3 DACs to try). Somehow it felt more "satisfying" and less fatiguing when listening for longer spells than I tend to when A/Bing. Not scientific but good enough for me :p.

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Originally Posted by tjw321 View Post
 

I've managed to A/B some DACs on a Mac with a USB hub and switching between them using either Vox preferences, or Sound preferences in System Preferences (with a Fiio HS 2 [ http://www.head-fi.org/t/659603/introduction-about-hs2-headphone-signal-switcher ] to switch the output). It worked well enough to convince me that there was a lot less difference between the DACs than I had previously thought. I can't remember how I solved the volume matching problem but I don't recall that it was too difficult. Most likely I set the volume in Sound and used that to switch, which probably compromised each DACs optimum settings, but I obviously didn't feel that it was much of a problem at the time.

 

Mind you, I've noticed (like you, IIRC) that Vox is noticably warmer than any other music player on my Mac so I'm going to repeat the tests eventually....

 

BTW, in the end I still chose the ODAC, despite the differences being too small to detect reliably in A/B/Cing (I had 3 DACs to try). Somehow it felt more "satisfying" and less fatiguing when listening for longer spells than I tend to when A/Bing. Not scientific but good enough for me :p.

 

 

Good Enough for me too. I've switched back to the ODAC because I'm not convinced there's any real difference at all. I'm also not too keen on the idea of a battery constantly trickle-charging on my desk.

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