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post #1531 of 2225
Which takes the prize for better dac, e17k or e18? Fiio went with a new chip for the e18 and I'm wondering if it's any better than the e17k. Does the e18 really amp better?
post #1532 of 2225

Update for those using LG G2. I've tried the latest version of 4.4.2 (d80220d) and I am glad that all music apps work again with the E18. So I can use Neutron again and am not limited with using UAPP! :-)

post #1533 of 2225
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Originally Posted by br34kb34t View Post

Which takes the prize for better dac, e17k or e18? Fiio went with a new chip for the e18 and I'm wondering if it's any better than the e17k. Does the e18 really amp better?

Ha, I was in that same position when I was getting ready to buy and amp/dac.. E17 or E18..Well, when they said the E18 was made especially for Android, and since the reason I got into headphones was because of my android devices, the E18 got the nod. I have even heard that in some instances the E17 sounds better. Be that as it may, IMO, the E18 a later version, and it was made for Android, that was enough for me. Also, in my 3 to 4 month newbie experience,  none of these amp/dacs are perfect,just like headphones. That is why most of headphone users have more than one set of headphones, and heaven forbid, more than one amp/dac too. Even a newbie like me, has fallen for 2 amp/dacs.;) The E18 and the O2-ODAC.

 

They should handle all my newbie needs..

 

If you are into android devices, I would go for the E18..

post #1534 of 2225
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Originally Posted by cehowardNote3 View Post
 

Ha, I was in that same position when I was getting ready to buy and amp/dac.. E17 or E18..Well, when they said the E18 was made especially for Android, and since the reason I got into headphones was because of my android devices, the E18 got the nod. I have even heard that in some instances the E17 sounds better. Be that as it may, IMO, the E18 a later version, and it was made for Android, that was enough for me. Also, in my 3 to 4 month newbie experience,  none of these amp/dacs are perfect,just like headphones. That is why most of headphone users have more than one set of headphones, and heaven forbid, more than one amp/dac too. Even a newbie like me, has fallen for 2 amp/dacs.;) The E18 and the O2-ODAC.

 

They should handle all my newbie needs..

 

If you are into android devices, I would go for the E18..


Thanks for the response!

 

I guess I need to determine what I'm going to use more - a computer or a phone. To date, I use my PC way more than my phone for listening to music. 90% of my phone listening takes place while I'm in the gym and I'm using some pretty low end ear buds for that. But I still like the idea of having my phone as a second option if I'm traveling or away from my PC and have my high end cans with me. So maybe the e17 is my best bet since it will work well for the PC and can still amp my phone even though it won't replace the dac in my phone. I've heard the e17 doesn't play well with Android, but I'm not sure that the e18 is worth the purchase if I'm not using it primarily for my phone.

 

Do you use the e18 as a dac for a PC?

post #1535 of 2225
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Originally Posted by br34kb34t View Post
 


Thanks for the response!

 

I guess I need to determine what I'm going to use more - a computer or a phone. To date, I use my PC way more than my phone for listening to music. 90% of my phone listening takes place while I'm in the gym and I'm using some pretty low end ear buds for that. But I still like the idea of having my phone as a second option if I'm traveling or away from my PC and have my high end cans with me. So maybe the e17 is my best bet since it will work well for the PC and can still amp my phone even though it won't replace the dac in my phone. I've heard the e17 doesn't play well with Android, but I'm not sure that the e18 is worth the purchase if I'm not using it primarily for my phone.

 

Do you use the e18 as a dac for a PC?

 

I am a newbie, and I truthfully don't know. :D

 

This is my hookup on the PC..

 

USB from PC to micro usb on E18, switch on E18 set to PC, Headphones plugged into the E18. On the PC, I tell control panel, the Fiio E18 is default in sound. To be honest, I really don't know what it is using, I know I have the hook up right, and I can hear the difference.. 

 

Ditto for the hookup to my Note 3.. The gym was my first priority in getting headphones too. That is why my 2 headphones are bluetooth. However, with the E18 in the show, I have modified my gym hookup..:D Both of my bluetooth headphones can also go wired, and the SQ goes up a notch when wired too. My latest gym bit has been with the E18 and Note 3 piggyback with a rubber band all in a fanny bag..Headphones are wired to the E18, and the E18 is connected to my Note 3..Playing flac while working out.. Sheesh, that puts a lock grin on this 74 year old..

 

I said all that to say, I don't know what the E18 is using as I am just learning to do the hook ups correctly..;) 

post #1536 of 2225
I also own an E18 and an ODAC/O2. The E18 works fine connected to a PC.

I haven't heard the E17 but I did a lot of research before opting for the E18. From what I've read the E17 uses a DAC which sounds on the warm side whereas the newer E18 uses a Texas Instruments DAC which is said to sound a bit more forward and more involving.

I liked the E18 and the only reason I don't use it now is because of its size when combined with my SGN3. I gave up and bought a Salsa Clip+ (rockboxed). It gives me 80% of the sound for 10% of the weight.

I wish i could get the sound of the ODAC/O2 in a truly portable device. I should sell my E18, lol.
post #1537 of 2225

Thanks for the comments, I appreciate the info. I know I want a good PC dac that is also portable so maybe I should just order the e18 since I do prefer Android over iOS.

 

There are a few more things that I'm curious about, for anyone who has used both the e17 and the e18:

 

1. Are the volume buttons on the e17 as accurate as a potentiometer? I like that I can really dial in the volume on something like the e18 using a potentiometer.

2. How does the bass on/off switch on the e18 compare to the multi level selection on the e17?

3. What are your thoughts when it comes to pairing the e17 with the e09? Is it worth the extra purchase for lower impedance headphones (32 ohm)?

 

As always, thank you very much!!

post #1538 of 2225
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Originally Posted by br34kb34t View Post
 

Thanks for the comments, I appreciate the info. I know I want a good PC dac that is also portable so maybe I should just order the e18 since I do prefer Android over iOS.

 

There are a few more things that I'm curious about, for anyone who has used both the e17 and the e18:

 

1. Are the volume buttons on the e17 as accurate as a potentiometer? I like that I can really dial in the volume on something like the e18 using a potentiometer.

2. How does the bass on/off switch on the e18 compare to the multi level selection on the e17?

3. What are your thoughts when it comes to pairing the e17 with the e09? Is it worth the extra purchase for lower impedance headphones (32 ohm)?

 

As always, thank you very much!!

 

I much prefer the E18 to the E17 personally, due to the potentiometer. Dialling in with buttons just isn't the same (IMHO).

 

The eq functions on the E17 are far superior, however. 

post #1539 of 2225
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

I much prefer the E18 to the E17 personally, due to the potentiometer. Dialling in with buttons just isn't the same (IMHO).

 

The eq functions on the E17 are far superior, however. 

This is why I'm having so much trouble making a decision!! lol I really like aspects of both. If the e18 had better eq options, I'd probably be sold.

 

But I do still like the idea of having the e09k as a desktop amp to pair with the e17.

 

Decisions, decisions....

post #1540 of 2225
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Originally Posted by br34kb34t View Post
 

This is why I'm having so much trouble making a decision!! lol I really like aspects of both. If the e18 had better eq options, I'd probably be sold.

 

But I do still like the idea of having the e09k as a desktop amp to pair with the e17.

 

Decisions, decisions....

I hope this makes it easier on you: the E09k is probably meant for higher impedance headphones and not those as low as 32 ohms. Neither the E17 nor E18 will have any sorts of problems with headphones of that impedance, unless of course they have ultra low sensitivitity. So, unless you have high impedance headphones of 100+ ohms, forget the E09k for now, because if you have have lower impedance headphones of less than 100 ohms, the E09k isn't designed for you. Just concentrate on the E17 vs E18.

 

As for the DAC portion of those two, meh, both are very good and will suit your needs just fine. I think quite honestly that you will be happy regardless of which one you choose. I think the E18 is supposed to be superior on paper, however, some prefer the E17. In a bigger picture, it just won't matter which you choose - just stay away from E09k until you have higher impedance headphones (think of impedance in the hundreds here).

 

If all else fails, just roll a dice: every day used for overthinking this matter is a day missed with better sound quality. ;) 


Edited by Coq de Combat - 5/25/14 at 10:52pm
post #1541 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Coq de Combat View Post
 

I hope this makes it easier on you: the E09k is probably meant for higher impedance headphones and not those as low as 32 ohms. Neither the E17 nor E18 will have any sorts of problems with headphones of that impedance, unless of course they have ultra low sensitivitity. So, unless you have high impedance headphones of 100+ ohms, forget the E09k for now, because if you have have lower impedance headphones of less than 100 ohms, the E09k isn't designed for you. Just concentrate on the E17 vs E18.

 

As for the DAC portion of those two, meh, both are very good and will suit your needs just fine. I think quite honestly that you will be happy regardless of which one you choose. I think the E18 is supposed to be superior on paper, however, some prefer the E17. In a bigger picture, it just won't matter which you choose - just stay away from E09k until you have higher impedance headphones (think of impedance in the hundreds here).

 

If all else fails, just roll a dice: every day used for overthinking this matter is a day missed with better sound quality. ;) 


Thanks for the info about the e09k. You summed things up pretty well.

 

Rolling a dice might be exactly what I need to do. I think for now, I'm going to go with the e17. It seems to have more of what I'm looking for at the moment, including eq options and the ability to pair with the e09k in the event I get higher impedance headphones in the future. Not to mention it's a little cheaper.

 

Thanks to all for your comments and advice! :biggrin:

post #1542 of 2225

No problems. As said, I think you'll be happy regardless which one you go with.

 

As for high impedance headphones, keep in mind that most* headphones are quite low in impedance. There are some Senns and some Beyers, and then you have those higher end headphones that are higher in impedance, but for those you might want to look at higher end amps as well. I have around 20 headphones (with 5 more coming my way), and the highest impedance ones are the Sennheiser HD25-1 II and those are only 75 ohms. My point is that I think most headphones will be driven just fine with either amp, and when you come to headphones that require more you may want to look at higher end amps instead of the E09k.

 

No offense to FiiO, they have served me well for years and will continue doing so for years to come; I just think the day I go for a HD800 or some electrostats, I will probably upgrade amp as well - until then I'm fine with the FiiO E-series.

 

* I have no statistics to support this, but as long as you're on the lower end of the $10-$1000 scale, in my experience they have all been sub-100 ohms, with the exception of Beyers and Senns.


Edited by Coq de Combat - 5/26/14 at 4:14am
post #1543 of 2225

I hear you, and you're right. I have the M-100s and I think I'll be sticking with them for a while. They're not hard to drive but I'd like to clean things up a bit with a good amp.

 

I just ordered the e17 from Amazon and it should be delivered by Thursday. Stay tuned for an update!

post #1544 of 2225
The parametric EQ built into Neutron is fantastically versatile.
post #1545 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

I also own an E18 and an ODAC/O2. The E18 works fine connected to a PC.
 

Been following your lead on a lot of points.. Thanks.:beerchug:

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