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post #106 of 1743

Is E19 suppose to be small and portable like the E10 or portable like E17 with a built in battery?

post #107 of 1743
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Originally Posted by Hal Rockwell View Post

Is E19 suppose to be small and portable like the E10 or portable like E17 with a built in battery?

No clue yet.

post #108 of 1743

We were told E19 is their flagship.  I am skeptical it will be a tiny one.

post #109 of 1743
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Originally Posted by m8o View Post

We were told E19 is their flagship.  I am skeptical it will be a tiny one.

Well, wasn't E17 once flagship too? E17 is tiny.

post #110 of 1743
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Well, wasn't E17 once flagship too? E17 is tiny.

 

this is a true statement.  Make believe I said "tinier than the E17" if you need to.


Edited by m8o - 7/4/13 at 2:37pm
post #111 of 1743

usually there are 4 models in one of our line up, 

 

for example, E6-E11-E12 is cover from low to high , and there are one E02i which is designed for iPhone only. 

 

so E07K-E17-E19 are cover from low to high too, and E18 is designed for Android phone .

 

In term of sound quality, it is better than E17 but not as good as E19 on paper.

post #112 of 1743
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I personally doubt they will have balance. Considering most portable phones aren't balanced, I honestly see no reason to have a balanced output on a portable amp. But I know that some users recable/terminate their hps with balanced output, so I guess there is a use.

 

we have not any plan to release any amps or DAC which supports balance output , most earphone does not support balance input ( excepted the HiFiMan RE600). 

post #113 of 1743
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we have not any plan to release any amps or DAC which supports balance output , most earphone does not support balance input ( excepted the HiFiMan RE600). 

Yup. I thought so.

post #114 of 1743

we are developing an e18 for android phone, but after samsung released S4, we found there are one interesting thing that our E17 can supported android 4.2 but can't supported 4.1 .

 

at the same time, our E07k can supported 4.1 but not 4.2. I am wondering anyone have the same problem? or known what is the difference between 4.2 and 4.1 in the usb driver

 

in the phone.

post #115 of 1743
What about 4.3?
post #116 of 1743

Why would this have less functionality than the E17?  The whole point of a device like this would be not to have one like it for every separate situation.  Unless I'm mistaken, there's no SPDiF input, or at the very least, optical, and there's no line out?  That's most of the use I make of the E17 gone in this case.  Why couldn't it just be an improved E17 (some ideas, some of which were implemented: physical volume adjustment but with available pre-out option still in addition to L.O., mute button/switch, push-to-talk microphone through pre-out, better amp & battery life, some glitches evened out, and automatic sleep mode/energy conservation state when no signal) with Android functionality/interfacing?  It's frustrating because it's so nice and its use feels so pointlessly capped with REMOVED functionality...  Despite sound quality always being the most important thing, functionality really is what makes something like this special, especially at this point with all these smart phones.  Same goes for the future X5, which once again, seems so close.  I hope I'm wrong and this functionality IS still there...  Without a screen, I guess a lot of this stuff just isn't possible.  I'm sad... 

 

If not the E17, than why not the E19 have all these things with Android functionality?  If this is what's planned for the E19, why not have it support USB audio from Android and incorporate the buttons on the side?..


Edited by Typhoon859 - 7/10/13 at 11:02pm
post #117 of 1743
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

we have not any plan to release any amps or DAC which supports balance output , most earphone does not support balance input ( excepted the HiFiMan RE600). 

 

Actually, the HifiMAN HE-4 also supports balanced input.  It includes a cable in the box similar to the RE-600 (3.5mm with 4 conductors).  But, the HE-4 isn't in production and just existing stock, or used are being sold.

post #118 of 1743
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

Actually, the HifiMAN HE-4 also supports balanced input.  It includes a cable in the box similar to the RE-600 (3.5mm with 4 conductors).  But, the HE-4 isn't in production and just existing stock, or used are being sold.

Isn't HE-4 a full size hp?

post #119 of 1743
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post

Why would this have less functionality than the E17?  The whole point of a device like this would be not to have one like it for every separate situation.  Unless I'm mistaken, there's no SPDiF input, or at the very least, optical, and there's no line out?  That's most of the use I make of the E17 gone in this case.  Why couldn't it just be an improved E17 (some ideas, some of which were implemented: physical volume adjustment but with available pre-out option still in addition to L.O., mute button/switch, push-to-talk microphone through pre-out, better amp & battery life, some glitches evened out, and automatic sleep mode/energy conservation state when no signal) with Android functionality/interfacing?  It's frustrating because it's so nice and its use feels so pointlessly capped with REMOVED functionality...  Despite sound quality always being the most important thing, functionality really is what makes something like this special, especially at this point with all these smart phones.  Same goes for the future X5, which once again, seems so close.  I hope I'm wrong and this functionality IS still there...  Without a screen, I guess a lot of this stuff just isn't possible.  I'm sad... 

 

If not the E17, than why not the E19 have all these things with Android functionality?  If this is what's planned for the E19, why not have it support USB audio from Android and incorporate the buttons on the side?..

 

E18 support line out. and it can used as a power bank to charge the phone in case the power is almost run out and you have important phone call. talking about E19, it will supports 192k/24b usd input and we are not sure whether is can support the USB out of Android phone. 

 

I can understand that people may need a perfect DAC/AMP but it is not we don't want but just we can't.

post #120 of 1743
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

E18 support line out. and it can used as a power bank to charge the phone in case the power is almost run out and you have important phone call. talking about E19, it will supports 192k/24b usd input and we are not sure whether is can support the USB out of Android phone. 

 

I can understand that people may need a perfect DAC/AMP but it is not we don't want but just we can't.

Oh, ok, well in any I case I should mention that I love you guys, lol, and for me it's less about me per say than it is my desire for others to appreciate what you guys do, with what I mention kinda being part of the requirement for this I've noticed..  I WAS in fact however questioning the reason if I'm honest, so I'm glad to hear that the goal is precisely to make, as you said, a perfect DAC/Amp, but you're saying it's just not possible?  I'm honestly not exactly sure why though considering all the functionality you guys have been able to implement separately.  Is it because you feel it wouldn't be worth the trade-off in size?  The point is, the E17 was already close to perfect, and even at a slightly larger size (like what it is with the L7 adapter or even slightly bigger), the Android functionality can be implemented I think, along with the other things.  Or, am I missing something?  Is it the difficulty of implementing all into one design, having to work around the need to double up on certain parts to accomplish this?  If for example you were to think about the suggested additions/alteration to the E17 in the previous post for the upcoming models, would you see a clear reason as to why this wouldn't be possible?  Not necessary EXACTLY as said/follows, the idea being more function I guess over form, but to recap (it seems like more things than it really is because it's just written in detail), this is how I mean it could be:

 

ALL E17 functionality (besides necessity of dock) +... 

1) Physical volume control (my idea was actually to have digital control like on the E17 but with one of those wheels on the front surface that you kinda like turn by rotating it with your thumb; it can be designed slightly concaved inwards as not to be turned in the pocket)

2) Mute button/switch 

3) "Push-to-talk" microphone (with a tiny volume wheel perhaps on the side and two front buttons: one that sums signal with pre-out, and the other with headphone out) 

   -this could obviously also serve as the mic for input through USB in Android, if that were desired as part of the design 

4) Improved battery life (sufficiently enough, because my E17 dies within three hours now) 

5) Improved amp (not necessarily by much, considering the purpose of a design such as this, but still at least a little) 

6) Removed glitch involving occasional freezing (doesn't turn on until reset), relating I think to using USB when plugged out and back in sometimes...

7) Making the L.O. switch to bulge slightly out rather than concave in, currently requiring a sharp point in order to switch it 

8) Automatic sleep mode/energy conservation state when there's no signal (only worth it if it works seamlessly) 

9) Android functionality/interfacing like on the planned E18 

 

 

I guess it's too late for this on the E18, but certainly with the E19, since it is the peak, it would technically be the last chance for this to be reality.  And just, once again, it really doesn't feel like it's that far from being possible and/or from what already does exist.

 

Thank you very much for the response and the consideration towards the inquiry, sincerely!  As always I'm grateful (and sorry for taking so much of your time). 


Edited by Typhoon859 - 7/29/13 at 7:15pm
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