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post #76 of 95
Eh call me a snob, but i don't like seeing pages and pages of soundcards, usb devices, pcdps.etc. It just all starts to sound the same after a while. Some people just don't understand that a 200$ soundcard based setup doesn't come anywhere near a dedicated component based rig. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. People also create waaay too many new threads about pretty much the same things. I guess i'm just getting bitter. It was just a lot more fun and informative for me to read this site before 2003 or so. Now it feels like i have to use the search function to find anything really useful.
post #77 of 95
tyll,
i made a mistake of judging your comment about making a change without reading your whole line of reasoning presented in the link to other thread. i certainly agree with some of your suggestions. and it certainly is a good idea. however, i don't think it will contribute to all the changes you think it will make. right now, one can go to headroom by using the simple link on the head-fi home page. wouldn't posting links in certain related threads just result in an easier way to get to headroom versus the already pretty easy way to get there from the home page? i also think that anyone looking for help on head-fi already has access to a great amount of organized information as well as the many people who are more than willing to help them. i personally love your website, but i think it looks better when one has the option of choosing from numerous different headphone websites...unless you mean to include them too
if i have again missread your reasoning behind your ideas, i apologize.
regardless of what my/peoples opinions are about your new ideas, there is no doubt in my mind that it is a good idea nontheless. and if anyone can foresee the potential benefits from making such changes, it is you. whether or not they will work is still up in the air. so i think jude would benefit from applying your ideas to head-fi in terms of making a more organized website. OTOH, head-fi is already pretty well organized as it is, imo.

i am wondering about how you specifically see head-fi as unorganized?

thanx very much for discussing your ideas with us. your posts are always a pleasure to read
post #78 of 95
Head-Fi is a very different place from when I first joined 1 1/2 years ago. There are still lots of friendly people, just lots more of them. There are of course lots more newbie posts but if we just start replying "Do a search" this place will be ruined. It is simply amazing if you look at how much development has gone on for headphone audio. Existing manufacturers are taking notice of the nearly 3/4 million posts and more than 10,000 members, and there are new startups all the time that rely almost exclusively among the members and anonymous lurkers here. Achieving success with a forum is not easy, like new businesses 9 out of 10 Internet forums die within a year. I'm sure there will need to be some changes to the forum structure sometime soon but I think the basics of this place should stay the same.
post #79 of 95
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Originally posted by TimSchirmer
Eh call me a snob, but i don't like seeing pages and pages of soundcards, usb devices, pcdps.etc. It just all starts to sound the same after a while. Some people just don't understand that a 200$ soundcard based setup doesn't come anywhere near a dedicated component based rig. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
You sound a little bitter that PC-based audio is beginning to approach the popularity of standalone components. I don't really blame you... as more and more people discover the convenience and potential for good (if admittedly not ultimate-fi... yet) SQ of PC setups and better & better cards appear on the market, standalone stuff is going to begin to go the way of the dinosaur. What you pay for with a soundcard is no transport, no big case, no separate power supply -- just digital components. It's natural that they'd be cheaper than standalone stuff.

I'm not sure why all this hurts your enjoyment of head-fi, however. Why not just pay attention to threads that interest you, and ignore the rest?
post #80 of 95
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Originally posted by fewtch
I'm not sure why all this hurts your enjoyment of head-fi, however. Why not just pay attention to threads that interest you, and ignore the rest?
That reminds me of a good idea: a Usenet feed for Head-Fi. Then you can just set filters in your newsreader to filter out the stuff you don't want to see, for example:
Code:
[^alt\.rec\.audio\.headfi$]

Score:: -100
Subject: CD3000|CD3K|HD650|I\ just\ got

Score:: 100
Subject: HD600|PIMETA|soundcard

        Score:: -100
        From: Jude
Just kidding, Jude
post #81 of 95
Thread Starter 
Since i was the originator of the thread, let me be a lil more specific.

I guess my main gripes are that the quality of some of the posts are way down. There is too much thread crapping, or if somebody does ask what I feel a legitimate question about let's say a particular piece of equipment, somebody goes off and states that they think this is better etc., or look at me, I've got something really fantastic. No concern is for the original question at hand.(most of the times these comments are made by members who don't even own the particular equipment in question, so they really don't have a clue) Going back two years ago you could count on a honest and intelligent answer, which was well thought out, and genuine sincerity to help somebody out.

Secondly, I know that we have alot of younger members coming in, but in someways I feel that this sight has become "their playground" in terms of the quality of their replies, and the general junvinille behavior they exhibit when posting.

Granted, not everybody exhibits this behavior,and I'm not really trying to make a blanket statement here. It just seems that a few of these members with rants about this or that can degrade the qaulity of posts that we have had in the past.

Lastly, I do agree that growth is a good thing, I want to see our hobby grow as well. I just feel that if you start a thread, do it because it's important to you, and answer a thread with dignity and respect that the orginal poster is expecting.

My intent is not to sound elitist, but rather keep the focus and intent of this sight to promote our love of audio in a more friendly and adult manor.
post #82 of 95
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Originally posted by usc goose
hey, we took pride in useless posting back in those days. but youngsters these days just don't know how it's supposed to be done...
Yeah!...
post #83 of 95
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Originally posted by orl2222
Since i was the originator of the thread, let me be a lil more specific.

I guess my main gripes are that the quality of some of the posts are way down. There is too much thread crapping, or if somebody does ask what I feel a legitimate question about let's say a particular piece of equipment, somebody goes off and states that they think this is better etc., or look at me, I've got something really fantastic. No concern is for the original question at hand.(most of the times these comments are made by members who don't even own the particular equipment in question, so they really don't have a clue) Going back two years ago you could count on a honest and intelligent answer, which was well thought out, and genuine sincerity to help somebody out.

Secondly, I know that we have alot of younger members coming in, but in someways I feel that this sight has become "their playground" in terms of the quality of their replies, and the general junvinille behavior they exhibit when posting.

Granted, not everybody exhibits this behavior,and I'm not really trying to make a blanket statement here. It just seems that a few of these members with rants about this or that can degrade the qaulity of posts that we have had in the past.

Lastly, I do agree that growth is a good thing, I want to see our hobby grow as well. I just feel that if you start a thread, do it because it's important to you, and answer a thread with dignity and respect that the orginal poster is expecting.

My intent is not to sound elitist, but rather keep the focus and intent of this sight to promote our love of audio in a more friendly and adult manor.
I feel ya, man!
I've brought up this issue before and IMHO, the mods may have let things slip in the course of supporting free speech. You (rhetorically addressed!) can't have it both ways. Either we have censorship (And who draws the line there?). Or we have noise, kinda like now. If you are really raising a novel or thought provoking question, there are enough of us genuine headfiers who will come up with a reasonable answer. The question is, what is reasonable? What is really thought provoking to you may not be though provoking to members online at any given point of time. Thus the argument for unabated expansion.
It's almost like power conditioning. Too much of it and your signal is cleaner, but your dynamism is gone, too little and the noise will kill you. As others may have pointed out before, Headfi is growing now which explains a lot of the newbies, juenility etc. Headfi is the current FOTM as far as the hifi audiophile world goes, this group will eventually move on to the next FOTM and then only the real headfiers will remain. What are the implications of this? Well, in stellar terms, Headfi is like a star that just entered its Red Giant stage. From here, it will expand further with even more noise over the next year or two. It is at this point that things will get interesting, either bust (supernova) or gradually meander down into a more contained existence like Headwize, (White Dwarf). Which of the two is more likely? At this point, things are in the mods hands. A little more judicious policing of the threads and a few well placed warnings may ultimately determine headfi's ultimate fate.
post #84 of 95
Reading this thread has made me think about the changes head-fi has gone through over the years. The growth that has been achieved by the headphone market is astonishing. I remember 4 years ago the options that a buyer had were extremely limited. We have gone from a few simple DIY designs to more and more companies releasing products that interest us. Nevertheless, I can't help shrug the idea that head-fi has lost something in the process. The early years of head-fi (and headwize before it) were marked by a true sense of a tightly knit community. True, it took longer to get answers to questions, but more often than not, one could expect a truly meaningful answer. I'm not saying that all of that is lost currently, but there has definitely been a definite decline in overall post quality. The departure of each long-time member futher exacerbates the situation. Even members that the management, erm, weren't too happy with added to the greatness of the forum. I still love head-fi, but no one can deny the changes that have transpired.
post #85 of 95
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What you pay for with a soundcard is no transport, no big case, no separate power supply -- just digital components.
Except that you pay for the CD-ROM drive in your computer which may not be a very good transport, you pay for your computer's casework, and you pay for your computer's power supply which is not designed for good audio but to power your computer's various disparate internal devices as cheaply as possible, and the soundcard combines digital section and analog output section on one smallish board where the analog section is often an afterthought...
post #86 of 95
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Originally posted by orl2222
There is too much thread crapping, or if somebody does ask what I feel a legitimate question about let's say a particular piece of equipment, somebody goes off and states that they think this is better etc., or look at me, I've got something really fantastic. No concern is for the original question at hand.
I often feel bad for the questioner when that happens, especially when the person is new to the forum. He/she asks about a headphone or amp, 20 replies (with 20 different headphones, amps, sources, cables and heated debate about which is better)later the original question has yet to be fully addressed and is all but forgotten.

Can't say if I've been guilty of such conduct, although I certainly hoped not. But, I guess the more experienced members of the forum will have to keep an eye out and set examples in their replies. Unless we put an age-cap or experience-cap on the members, that's the best solution I can think of.

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Originally posted by orl2222
Secondly, I know that we have alot of younger members coming in, but in someways I feel that this sight has become "their playground" in terms of the quality of their replies, and the general junvinille behavior they exhibit when posting.
Its understandable. It wasn't that long ago that I was a "juvenile." I admit that should this forum have existed back then, it would also in danger of becoming my little playground chit-chat site. We can't put "old" heads on "younger" shoulders.

On the bright side, I am very pleased to see that the audiophile hobby is still attractive to the younger generations. From time to time, I'll come across "dooms-day" predictions about the audiophile hobby. Commentators pointed to the demise of many Hi-Fi manufacturers and magazines, the rise of hometheater and PC audio as signs of things to come.

But from what I've seen on this forum, some highschool and college students are still "nuts" about pure Hi-Fi. They just have more means to enjoy music - whether on a decked out PC system or a "traditional" separate system.

So kudos to them.
post #87 of 95
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True, it took longer to get answers to questions, but more often than not, one could expect a truly meaningful answer. I'm not saying that all of that is lost currently, but there has definitely been a definite decline in overall post quality.
some of that is due to the nature of the question and the answers being given on numerous occasions.

do you know how many times a pewrson with 2,000 posts has seen "what is the best......" , "how do i......" ?

After a while you get numb to the question.

i myself will read something I have answered many times and will not pull the trigger unless no one else replies .nothing worse than seeing an unaswered post from a newb unless it is inanae by intent and deserving of no answer.

the "why do I need an amp" questions while on the surface beneath the dignity of some to reply to is are valid .
Why do you need an amp ?

Convincing someone on limited funds to spend long green (to them ) for something they have gotten along without just fine ,and convincing them that the headphones they are using would not benefit anyway (they being crap0 is the foundation of the entire concept here !

Isn't that the reason for all this madness to begin with ?

And the more knowledgable people we have asking the right questions the more the manufacturers take note

and we are being heard people

you can beleive that !

Everyone here has a benchmark ,a level of knowledge , and they must ask the person a rung up on the ladder for direction when they are lost .

this ladder is without a final rung and we all move along towards the top bringing up the person behind us along the way.

And when someone steps on that first rung of the ladder ,looks up and does not see the top they can become nervous

that is when the member above needs to reach down and give a hand up,calm that person and let them know all is well and the journey is going to be fun


the cycle never ends folks

post #88 of 95
Thank you rickcr42,
It seems like there has always been an anti noob sentiment on all forum sites. This can be intimidating to someone who just loves music and has discovered how good headphones can sound. When confronting something as technical and obsure as high end headpones,
I have found head-fi to be a fantastic resource for users of all types. I went from knowing that my Grado SR-60s sound better than the earbuds that came with my portable; to a solid understanding of what it will take to assemble a top notch head system, in a matter of weeks. If it wasn't for
the head-fi community, I would still be lost. OK there are some redundant posts and useless replies, but if I have to go back a year to get an answer to my simple question I will not consider it to be as valid as a new reply. I love that Head-fi is a friendly community, that is willing to embrace new wackos I hope it stays that way.
post #89 of 95
One of the most rewarding aspects of Head-Fi is when a new person finally gets or assembles a Cmoy and gets a pair of better headphones RS-80’s (?). And they hear the difference.

The excitement and pride of a person who makes an informed purchase, takes the plunge and gets something that sounds good to them.

Some of the esoteric banter about $600 power cords is boring compared to someones initial realization of what a better pair of headphones can sound like. But it’s all part of head-Fi which is what makes this a great place.


Mitch
post #90 of 95
As a new member to this forum I want to throw in my two cents. I feel there is a definite sense of community despite the size. I have and still am a member of some other forums and have found this one to be the friendlist. The people I have been in virtual contact with here have always gone out of their way to be helpful. Being new to headphones, at this level, that is important. I have completed a number of transactions and could not be happier. This is my way of saying thanks. Now if I only knew how to post pics.

Mike
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