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post #421 of 1665

Yeap, seems to be the same one. To my eyes it's like a DS version of the Conductor.

post #422 of 1665
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post

Yeap, seems to be the same one. To my eyes it's like a DS version of the Conductor.

 

What about the USB section? Did they stick with crappy Tenor chip?

post #423 of 1665

Yeap, that's what it looks like

post #424 of 1665

A 160Ds on steroids. They have improved the amp, and the Dac section is re-designed. 

post #425 of 1665
Negura - what USB-SPDIF converters and USB cables give the best bang for your buck with the Conductor?

I did find the original Audiophilleo sounded better. But that was only a short test and have since made some changes... so not sure it still holds true.

I've put gaffa tape over the power pin on my Neo/Oyaide S USB cable. It works, but can't say I noticed any change in sound (or noise floor).

I wish Burson had used a USB-I2S converter instead... I wonder if they might bring out a USB module upgrade... wishful thinking...

I'm pretty darn happy with the sound I'm getting through Audirvana, so can't complain.
post #426 of 1665
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Originally Posted by vegan View Post

Negura - what USB-SPDIF converters and USB cables give the best bang for your buck with the Conductor?

I did find the original Audiophilleo sounded better. But that was only a short test and have since made some changes... so not sure it still holds true.

I've put gaffa tape over the power pin on my Neo/Oyaide S USB cable. It works, but can't say I noticed any change in sound (or noise floor).

I wish Burson had used a USB-I2S converter instead... I wonder if they might bring out a USB module upgrade... wishful thinking...

I'm pretty darn happy with the sound I'm getting through Audirvana, so can't complain.

 

I am using the Audiophilleo 2. It's a drastic improvement compared to the stock USB. Alone or with IFI IUSB. I don't have Pure Power, but that's another great boost from what I've heard.

 

Let's just say with Audiophilleo there's something of a small miracle happening in SQ. I can go into details, but it's accross anything and everything. Foor good reason some DAC makers actually started licensing interfaces and Burson would well do licensing something like Audiophilleo, M2Tech, Stello or similar for the next gen. Otherwise you won't regret purchasing it separately.

 

For further info see my review here: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/newestpost/663672

 

 

Cables:

The best I've heard:

- I have built for myself and this is what I am right using now: Y split DIY silver USB cable out of Toxic Cables - Silver Poison wire with separate power and data lines. The difference to stock cables is big: adds lots of energy, detail, air, openness. I would assume an USB cable made by Toxic Cables would be even better.

- Alternatively another DIY cable made of Toxic Cables Scorpion 18 AWG copper sounded very impressive. Out of this world vocals, exceptional flow and musicality, improved bass.


Edited by negura - 5/26/13 at 12:11pm
post #427 of 1665

I can't tell the difference between USB or Toslink (direct from soundcard) into the Conductor -> HD800 .  

post #428 of 1665
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Originally Posted by vegan View Post

Negura - what USB-SPDIF converters and USB cables give the best bang for your buck with the Conductor?

I did find the original Audiophilleo sounded better. But that was only a short test and have since made some changes... so not sure it still holds true.

I've put gaffa tape over the power pin on my Neo/Oyaide S USB cable. It works, but can't say I noticed any change in sound (or noise floor).

I wish Burson had used a USB-I2S converter instead... I wonder if they might bring out a USB module upgrade... wishful thinking...

I'm pretty darn happy with the sound I'm getting through Audirvana, so can't complain.

Your wish may come true some day!

post #429 of 1665
Thanks for your take on the iUSB and Audiophilleo Negura - interesting read.

I really wanted to avoid the cost and complication of add-ons.

As mentioned, I've taped over the power leg on my USB cable. It works perfectly on my Mac (not sure of the difference in sound, though).

Between updates to Audirvana, tenor driver and fuse, resolution has been significantly improved.

I didn't do much of a comparison, but had the impression the new (May) Mac driver for the Burson Conductor made a difference.

I would be curious to hear from Conductor and Audiophilleo owners could tell us if the new Tenor Mac driver brings it any closer to the Audiophilleo.... More wishful thinking on my part...
post #430 of 1665
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As mentioned, I've taped over the power leg on my USB cable. It works perfectly on my Mac (not sure of the difference in sound, though).
 

 

There is definetely truth in the above. I have several new intesting findings in this regard. Using my Y split silver USB cable, I have disconnected the power plug from the computer USB and the Tenor still plays. I am using the latest Burson drivers now. Not sure if this is something related to the drivers, I would think not, or simply there was a bug/windows issue before. But the Burson USB does work without power from USB.

 

Also using the Y split USB cable I am finding a lot less of an impact from IFI IUSB, if any.  I will need to retest this a few times to confirm. I then put back the stock USB cable and there's a difference with that one and with/without IFI IUSB.

 

The Audiophilleo is still a lot better than then stock Burson USB - no change here. No changes here.


Edited by negura - 5/26/13 at 5:26pm
post #431 of 1665

Received my HD800 today,

wow, just perfect pair with Conductor, I prefer it to LCD-3 even for rock music, looks like Conductor just doesnt have enough juice for Audeze. But with HD800 it sounds really great to my ears.

post #432 of 1665
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Originally Posted by bbbonthemoon View Post

Received my HD800 today,

wow, just perfect pair with Conductor, I prefer it to LCD-3 even for rock music, looks like Conductor just doesnt have enough juice for Audeze. But with HD800 it sounds really great to my ears.

I, myself found that it has more than enough juice for both LCD2 and LCD3. I think LCD3 is even easier to drive than lcd2.


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 5/27/13 at 2:45pm
post #433 of 1665
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Originally Posted by bbbonthemoon View Post

Received my HD800 today,

wow, just perfect pair with Conductor, I prefer it to LCD-3 even for rock music, looks like Conductor just doesnt have enough juice for Audeze. But with HD800 it sounds really great to my ears.

 

Grats on your HD800s! Very interesting findings. Maybe that's more because of the HD800s than anything else. Which I can personally understand as I was gobsmacked the first time I heard the HD800s at home on the Conductor. That said, I don't think there's anything lacking at all with the Conductor and the LCD-3s.  But I can agree the HD800s are better headphones in many ways.

 

And yes the HD800s are great even with rock music. I completely agree. I do however prefer the LCD-3s with modern metal music. That's just a matter of preference.


Edited by negura - 5/27/13 at 2:54pm
post #434 of 1665
Just a little warning

Be careful when putting stuff around the Conductor, is not too hard to scratch it.

Mine has two already, one putting the LCD on top of it, the metal holders caused a small scratch. And one on front by a USB cable end.

Not too deep but noticeable under the right angle.
post #435 of 1665
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post

I, myself found that it has more than enough juice for both LCD2 and LCD3. I think LCD3 is even easier to drive than lcd2.

 

I quite agree. The Conductor drives my LCD-3's well beyond sane listening levels with ease and grace. I am not one that prefers an overly sterile, clinical sound, and remain as in love with my 3's as the first time I heard them. A strictly subjective opinion, of course.

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