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post #1456 of 1991

the rca input on the conductor is the pre-amp input, right ?

 

on the burson site the conductor is specified as 4wpc into 16 ohm while the soloist 4wpc into 8 ohm, so there must be something different, matbe it's just the pre-amp gain

 

anyway, isn't it like using the same amp if you are connecting the source into the rca inputs ?

post #1457 of 1991
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post
 

 

 

The V200 is warm sounding and it's .. pacifying the treble somewhat. But I still liked the Soloist more with the HD800s, because of better detail, soundstage and imaging. Once the above mentioned tweaks were applied.

post #1458 of 1991
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

with the conductor dac as source?

 

Both the Conductor and the Dac-It, same result.

post #1459 of 1991
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

 

The V200 is warm sounding and it's .. pacifying the treble somewhat. But I still liked the Soloist more with the HD800s, because of better detail, soundstage and imaging. Once the above mentioned tweaks were applied.

 

I guess I should mention my ears are very treble sensitive. The Conductor/HD800 tends to trigger my tinnitus rather quickly. But regardless of that, I'm a fan of how the V200 reveals the layers of sound and it works better than the Conductor's amp for me. But feeding the V200 a warm source results in a bit of a mess.

post #1460 of 1991
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post
 

Have been spending some time with the Conductor over the weekend and it's definitely a great DAC. The best one I've heard yet. I have been using it to feed a variety of headphone amps (Cary Nighthawk, Violectric V200 and of course, the built-in one) and I am getting a flawless, clean signal with each one that lets the amp/headphone parts shine. Especially the darker V200, it really boosted it to the next level with the HD800. The USB implementation is light years ahead of the Dac-It's, I think I need to consider a USB to coax converter for that thing.

 

I am not quite as enthusiastic about the headphone amp part. To be fair, HD800 is a real prick of a headphone to amp properly, but it's definitely too bright on the Conductor and can be ruled out. The Mad Dogs work well on it, but no better than my Lyr (can't test that with the DAC until next weekend) or the Nighthawk (they are the opposite of the HD800, extremely amp friendly...I still need to try the Conductor DAC/V200 pairing, but I tend not to use the Dogs with the V200 because of the closed in feeling). I do regret I don't have a Hifiman or Audeze onhand to test with it, as the strong bass and brightness I can see working well with them. I might have to dial up the Cable Company and see if I can do something about that before my trial is up, heh heh.

 

If Burson had made solely a USB DAC in the $800-$1000 range, I would definitely consider it. For my needs at the moment, I'm too on the fence about the amp part (not helped by my desire to start experimenting with tubes and/or electrostats more). Glad I got to try it out though, definitely a solid piece.

Don't forget that Conductor needs >80h to break in. And until then it may sound harsher than it really is.

post #1461 of 1991
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

Don't forget that Conductor needs >80h to break in. And until then it may sound harsher than it really is.

 

As I said before, this is a rented unit from the Cable Company (the same one Tyll used to review the Abyss on Inner Fidelity). It's definitely burned in.

post #1462 of 1991

most of the issues discussed in the thread make it smell like it needs properly grounded power mains, usb connection and source

 

the thread is advancing fast, what about this -->> http://www.head-fi.org/t/627954/burson-conductor-dac-amp-successor-to-the-ha-160d/1455#post_10230841

post #1463 of 1991
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

most of the issues discussed in the thread make it smell like it needs properly grounded power mains, usb connection and source

 

the thread is advancing fast, what about this -->> http://www.head-fi.org/t/627954/burson-conductor-dac-amp-successor-to-the-ha-160d/1455#post_10230841

 

What's the issue? I'm just giving my impressions of the various pairings. Power is definitely not a problem with the amp, nor is the quality of the conversion. Neither is an issue for me.

post #1464 of 1991

i didn't quote you did i?

 

i was referring to functional issues discussed in this thread, usb and other...

 

edit: the thread is advancing fast, what about this -->> http://www.head-fi.org/t/627954/burson-conductor-dac-amp-successor-to-the-ha-160d/1455#post_10230841


Edited by roskodan - 2/2/14 at 5:56pm
post #1465 of 1991

I see some talk about headphones currently being used with the Conductor. I think this is a great idea as I've often wondered how other headphones pair with it. While we know that all music sound's good with the Conductor perhaps your headphones are a lock on a particular genre or there's a synergy going on that other's would like to know about. For example, I have read the HD800 have the widest soundstage  and work really well for classical music as everything is positioned and spread out nicely. My headphones are the Lcd 3's and while they sound very good they're also very revealing of what's in the signal chain. With the stock headphone cable music has a rich full bodied sound that I enjoy very much (good choice Audeze). Of course with aftermarket cables the bass may tighten up, high's extend further and the soundstage may grow bigger. You may not believe in the effects of cables and I do not wish to offend but in my experience such effects do exist. 

 

   Pairing the Audeze 3's with the Conductor I hear a sound that is nicely transparent. Imaging is bigger than I've heard with other headphones. Although the Lcd's are touted as being more like home stereo speakers and cast the sound seemingly in front of you; I still have that focused center image  in your head between the ear's. This is with the stock cable and every aftermarket cable I tried changed this but to be honest I kind of liked it. I'm a soundstage imaging freak and it added another layer of that 3d sound that I love so much. I find the Audeze 3's and Burson combination to be very good with any genre of music. I must say Classical music in particular put a smile on my face. Like other headphones changing cables will lift veils, add detail and improve the balance between the high's and low's. But you should keep aware that while the LCD3's present a big image (they're great at this) any flaw's, or a poor recording for example can sound very poor indeed.

 

   Be sure and give them time as they take a month or two to break-in. Also pay attention to what your hearing from upstream sources. Upon first arrival and listening I found something to be very off in my system. It turned out that I had been listening to my cd player's upsampling 24bit/96khz and with the revealing LCD's it sounded terrible.

 

   I think the Lcd3's are a good choice if your considering an audiophile system in which you will be making audiophile upgrades overtime because they're very responsive to changes and also sound good like they are. But let's be honest, your pairing $1900.00 headphones with an $1875.00 dac/amp/preamp. So keep in mind for the most part your going to make changes in the future and while both are up to the task you should consider your options wisely.

 

Edit: The Sabre 32bit chip is more than capable. When I added the audiophilleo I was simply stunned at the amount of detail I was hearing. If it's not the 'best' it must be close. Very nice indeed.

 

Over the last year or so I have: Upgraded to Parts Connexion Signature Burson Mod, added Audiophilleo 2 w/purepower, ALO (all copper) Chainmail Cable, Audioquest Diamond USB, Vector Dragon Power Cable, Deccaware Power Cable (for pc), Maple Shade Iso-blocks. Bellatone Reference Cables (I'm anxious to hear these!) on Order.  Sound Quality Is Simply Incredible and with every upgrade the Audeze 3's sound better and better. 


Edited by RubyTiger - 2/4/14 at 7:51am
post #1466 of 1991

Sadly, my problem with the LCD's is a fit issue. Specifically, the pads pressing against my jaw, even when I have lightened the clamp. I'm waiting for the PM-1 (Oppo) and HE-560 to see what they can do, as far as planars are concerned (I didn't care for the fit of the HE-500 either), but I'm not opposed to renting either an LCD3 or LCD-X...It might have just been that particularly pair of LCD2's I was using. Then again, I see a lot of these things for sale because of the fit issues.

 

But I can see how the active and fairly bright sound (and overall power) of the Conductor would work with planars.

post #1467 of 1991
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Originally Posted by GoldfishX View Post
 

Sadly, my problem with the LCD's is a fit issue. Specifically, the pads pressing against my jaw, even when I have lightened the clamp. I'm waiting for the PM-1 (Oppo) and HE-560 to see what they can do, as far as planars are concerned (I didn't care for the fit of the HE-500 either), but I'm not opposed to renting either an LCD3 or LCD-X...It might have just been that particularly pair of LCD2's I was using. Then again, I see a lot of these things for sale because of the fit issues.

 

But I can see how the active and fairly bright sound (and overall power) of the Conductor would work with planars.


Well, I'm sure you know what your talking about. My head is fairly big and I have the LCD's adjusted about as loose as I can get them. I used to set them over a square piece of foam about six inches wide and they would rest there until I used them again. Over time the clamping force has lessened and I no longer need the foam. Also, when I use the supplied oil on the wood I also apply a bit to the leather pad's. It soften's them up some.

post #1468 of 1991
For those of you upsampling with Audirvana on the Sabre chip, care to share your IZotope settings?

Settings seem very system dependent. So no clue if my settings would work at all well if I was running in Windows land, or any other player, for that matter. But think settings would differ for almost everyone. I've only dabbled a little and found settings needed to be changed between A+ releases. But I'm curious to know what people are using.

I was pretty slow to mess around with upsampling, but suggest it's well worth some experimentation.
I'm currently using 1.5.10 (not the latest) in playlist mode with the C-Media board.

Steepness - still moving between the 18-30 kind of range. (Was down to about 3 on an earlier A+ release).
Pre-Ringing - 0.60 - 0.75 - yet to get a handle on differences...
Filter max length - max (2m)
Rest - default.

I appreciate your input :-)
post #1469 of 1991

i tried to demo a conductor today with my mbp and audirvana but had lots of static , dropouts and even slowdowns in the tracks. 

Do mac os x need drivers for the conductor? I looked but gathered it was only for the async mod. 

post #1470 of 1991
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Originally Posted by daniel_hokkaido View Post
 

i tried to demo a conductor today with my mbp and audirvana but had lots of static , dropouts and even slowdowns in the tracks. 

Do mac os x need drivers for the conductor? I looked but gathered it was only for the async mod. 

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