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post #1081 of 1825
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

I heard them with both of them, but very brief with HDVD800 and I think Conductor is better overall ( and it sure has a better dac implementation ) . With Conductor you can drive any headphones. With HDVD800 that is not the case from what I heard (Audeze & HDVD800 = disaster)

 

DarKu can tell you more on the subject. He did the review on it.

 

While I am glad Darku rendered a review of the HDVD 800, it would have been a bit more informative if rendered in English.  I know I have seen him write in English before.

post #1082 of 1825
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You liked the T1 with the Conductor? I sold mine because I couldn't find a WA2 at a reasonable price. I never felt that they matched well with any of the amps I owned so I got rid of them a couple of weeks ago.

Good to hear that HE-500 sounds nice with Conductor though. How do you find the comfort?

 

I personally think less of the T1s than for example the HD650s or HD600s. But that's me. No matter of which amplifier. I have also tried warmer amps with it. Besides a couple of genres I just couldn't live with them. Again, there's apparently considerable sample variance with the T1s.

Yep, they suck pretty bad in stock form, but that little creatology foam mod does wonder. Can't ask for anything more, smooth like a butter now.

post #1083 of 1825
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Originally Posted by King of Pangaea View Post

While I am glad Darku rendered a review of the HDVD 800, it would have been a bit more informative if rendered in English.  I know I have seen him write in English before.

Short version:
The amp is tuned for the HD 800 and it's pretty great with it. Slightly better than the Conductor but sounds like crap with other headphones.
The DAC is weaker than the one in the Conductor.
HDVD800 is great if you are set on HD 800 and you are sure that you won't want to use it with another headphone. If you have a DAC use the 600 instead smily_headphones1.gif
post #1084 of 1825
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Originally Posted by King of Pangaea View Post
 

 

While I am glad Darku rendered a review of the HDVD 800, it would have been a bit more informative if rendered in English.  I know I have seen him write in English before.

Hello,

Had really no time lately and didn't do it in English too.

But briefly I can tell you that for driving HD800 alone, HDVD800 was the best pairing with HD800, better than Conductor.

It was really something special, bass was fast, precise with a very good puch, bass also goes deeper with HDVD800. I liked everything about it when driving HD800. DAC part is not as great as the amp part for sure, so maybe HDVA600 would be a better solution if you own a good DAC already.

I didnt like HDVD800 with low impedance headphones, very slow, muddy and out of control sound, but with high impedance it was a bliss. I even rocked out and headbanged with this combo :L3000: on some rock tunes, and I never did that with HD800 on other amps.

Great pairing, but only with HD800 (I supose it will sound great also with HD600/650 and even with 600 Ohm Beyers).

 

Edit: Overall I prefer Conductor because it is more versatile, it has better DAC part and I can use all types of headphones on it, because of the near zero output impedance.

HDVD800 is picky with other headphones (think Audezes) but shines with HD800.


Edited by DarKu - 10/8/13 at 12:33am
post #1085 of 1825
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Originally Posted by DarKu View Post
 

Hello,

Had really no time lately and didn't do it in English too.

But briefly I can tell you that for driving HD800 alone, HDVD800 was the best pairing with HD800, better than Conductor.

It was really something special, bass was fast, precise with a very good puch, bass also goes deeper with HDVD800. I liked everything about it when driving HD800. DAC part is not as great as the amp part for sure, so maybe HDVA600 would be a better solution if you own a good DAC already.

I didnt like HDVD800 with low impedance headphones, very slow, muddy and out of control sound, but with high impedance it was a bliss. I even rocked out and headbanged with this combo :L3000: on some rock tunes, and I never did that with HD800 on other amps.

Great pairing, but only with HD800 (I supose it will sound great also with HD600/650 and even with 600 Ohm Beyers).

 

Edit: Overall I prefer Conductor because it is more versatile, it has better DAC part and I can use all types of headphones on it, because of the near zero output impedance.

HDVD800 is picky with other headphones (think Audezes) but shines with HD800.

 

I rock & headbang with HD800 & Conductor + Hydra too :D

post #1086 of 1825
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Originally Posted by DarKu View Post
 

Hello,

Had really no time lately and didn't do it in English too.

But briefly I can tell you that for driving HD800 alone, HDVD800 was the best pairing with HD800, better than Conductor.

It was really something special, bass was fast, precise with a very good puch, bass also goes deeper with HDVD800. I liked everything about it when driving HD800. DAC part is not as great as the amp part for sure, so maybe HDVA600 would be a better solution if you own a good DAC already.

I didnt like HDVD800 with low impedance headphones, very slow, muddy and out of control sound, but with high impedance it was a bliss. I even rocked out and headbanged with this combo :L3000: on some rock tunes, and I never did that with HD800 on other amps.

Great pairing, but only with HD800 (I supose it will sound great also with HD600/650 and even with 600 Ohm Beyers).

 

Edit: Overall I prefer Conductor because it is more versatile, it has better DAC part and I can use all types of headphones on it, because of the near zero output impedance.

HDVD800 is picky with other headphones (think Audezes) but shines with HD800.

 

Thanks Darku and everybody who responded with their input.  Now I am totally undecided.  Lets see, HDVD best for HD800s, not as versatile for other cans.  Lots of people with great opinions in both camps.   What if I want LCD3s sometime in the future?  Hmmmmm, Conductor, HDVD800, Conductor, HDVD800, Conductor, HDVD800................NNGZZAAAHHHRGHHHH.............Ok folks, I am going to my rubber room now.

post #1087 of 1825

I recently purchased a YellowTec PUC2 USB to S/PDIF converter for use with my Conductor.  I'm very pleased with the results and concur with some of the other people who have reviewed it on this site and others.  Similar to what Dan experienced with the Hydra-X, the Conductor with the PUC2 sounds like a different DAC and Headamp.  Bass is tighter, mids are more prominent but not overly so and highs are crystal clear.  As it breaks in more I will add some more comments regarding the music selection and what I'm experiencing compared to the Conductors stock USB input.

 

I am using the JPlay JCAT USB cable from my audio PC to the PUC2 via a Paul Pang Audio USB power adapter.  The purpose of the adapter is to separate the data and the power.  Power to the PUC2 is being supplied by a POWERADD 5V 12000 mAh Li-ion battery pack. The S/PDIF cable is of my own making using VH Audio Pulsar Ag 75 ohm coax terminated with 75 ohm Trompeter BNC's.  The PUC2 out is AES/EBU so I'm using a Canare 110 ohm to 75 ohm transformer to the Pulsar AG and a BNC to RCA adapter at the Conductor.

 

Stay tuned.


Edited by germay0653 - 10/8/13 at 6:55pm
post #1088 of 1825
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Originally Posted by germay0653 View Post
 

I recently purchased a YellowTec PUC2 USB to S/PDIF converter for use with my Conductor.  I'm very pleased with the results and concur with some of the other people who have reviewed it on this site and others.  Similar to what Dan experienced with the Hydra-X, the Conductor with the PUC2 sounds like a different DAC and Headamp.  Bass is tighter, mids are more prominent but not overly so and highs are crystal clear.  As it breaks in more I will add some more comments regarding the music selection and what I'm experiencing compared to the Conductors stock USB input.

 

I am using the JPlay JCAT USB cable from my audio PC to the PUC2 via a Paul Pang Audio USB power adapter.  The purpose of the adapter is to separate the data and the power.  Power to the PUC2 is being supplied by a POWERADD 5V 12000 mAh Li-ion battery pack. The S/PDIF cable is of my own making using VH Audio Pulsar Ag 75 ohm coax terminated with 75 ohm Trompeter BNC's.  The PUC2 out is AES/EBU so I'm using a Canare 110 ohm to 75 ohm transformer to the Pulsar AG and a BNC to RCA adapter at the Conductor.

 

Stay tuned.

 

I think it's cool someone went through using PUC2 with the AES -> SPDIF conversion for the Conductor. I am using the PUC2 with PWD2 and the main benefits I am finding are details (macro & micro), very quick natural decays, very neutral sounding with excellent treble crispness and air. Never bright though. The mids are very good quality, nor sugar coated, nor lean. It's exceptional with female vocals. The bass quantity is very good if not quite the same as with Hydra, however it's cleaner, tighter, and really well extended, thus better quality I think. I don't have the Hydra anymore, but from my comparison of the Hydra with the AP2, I think the PUC2 runs circles around the Hydra in details, speed, imaging and accuracy. A bit like HD800 vs HD650 in those aspects. I also prefered the PUC2 to the AP2, but the AP2 wins in soundstage size.

 

Oh yes even the PWD2 sounds a class above with the PUC2. :)

 

But then again the caveat with all these interfaces and especially the more transparent they are, the cables have a very audible impact. Both USB and SPDIF/AES etc. 


Edited by negura - 10/9/13 at 10:17am
post #1089 of 1825
Yeah but with Hydra you were using the wrong cable and you also didn't use Hydra on AES smily_headphones1.gif
post #1090 of 1825
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post

Yeah but with Hydra you were using the wrong cable and you also didn't use Hydra on AES smily_headphones1.gif

 

I had 3 SPDIF cables at the same time I had the Hydra, very different sounding from each other. And I have compared it side by side with the AP2 using the same cable for both of course. I did not use the Hydra on AES so I can't comment on that. AES tends to be warmer in theory btw, which might not immediately suit Hydra. But it depends on the individual DAC and what not too. I will leave this one out for the jury.

 

I am not trying to take anything away from the Hydra, it's a good interface. I just think there are better ones, technically. And also to my preference in several systems, but synergy is key here as with everything.

 

The cable you're thinking of and that I settled for, was for using it with the AP2. I always stated it didn't have any particular synergy with the Hydra. Had I retained the Hydra, I would have probably gone for SPC or Silver cables. Or some sort of more neutral sounding copper builds.

 

If you think SPDIF cables selection is difficult, you should try the AES cables. There's no second hand market for the good ones and very few and far in between to begin with.


Edited by negura - 10/9/13 at 10:33am
post #1091 of 1825
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

 

I had 3 SPDIF cables at the same time I had the Hydra, very different sounding from each other. And I have compared it side by side with the AP2 using the same cable for both of course. I did not use the Hydra on AES so I can't comment on that. AES tends to be warmer in theory btw, which might not immediately suit Hydra. But it depends on the individual DAC and what not too. I will leave this one out for the jury.

 

I am not trying to take anything away from the Hydra, it's a good interface. I just think there are better ones, technically. And also to my preference in several systems, but synergy is key here as with everything.

 

The cable you're thinking of and that I settled for, was for using it with the AP2. I always stated it didn't have any particular synergy with the Hydra. Had I retained the Hydra, I would have probably gone for SPC or Silver cables. Or some sort of more neutral sounding copper builds.

 

If you think SPDIF cables selection is difficult, you should try the AES cables. There's no second hand market for the good ones and very few and far in between to begin with.

 

I think synergy is the key here. I thought silver is the way too, but I found a very good coax cable (the original coax cable that I have tested Hydra with, though at that time i didn't give it too much attention) that had more synergy for me than all other cables...

post #1092 of 1825
The regulars in this thread clearly have very good ears.
post #1093 of 1825

I love the JPlay JCAT USB cable and even with having to use the Canare 110 ohm to 75 ohm transformer and the BNC to RCA adapter, the VH Audio Ag (24 guage solid OCC silver) has great synergy with the PUC2 and Conductor.  I haven't heard the Hydra so I can't provide an impression but everything I've read about it suggests that it's a great product plus it opens the door to DSD if your DAC supports it whereas the PUC2 currently does not.  The PUC2 is a wonderful value for the price.  I almost feel as if I'm attending a private performance with well produced and recorded music on my system.

post #1094 of 1825
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

The regulars in this thread clearly have very good ears.

 

I know there are people that say they don't believe in cables...but I do... and I can hear the differences...Even did a blind test with 2 coax cables with hydra and the one I was talking about won easily and was easy to recognize.
post #1095 of 1825
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

I agree Dan.  I'm in the same camp in that regard.

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