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post #1021 of 1816
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

In a blind ABX test?

Sorry for questioning guys but we all are just human, biased, emotional creatures, and often listen with our eyes and wallet, unfortunately. :(

I remember my early days in this hobby when I was finding difference from aftermarket cables undoubtedly stunning and would fight anyone who question my findings.

 

I agree, blind test will remove all biases.  It can also be very embarrassing.


Edited by preproman - 9/20/13 at 12:12am
post #1022 of 1816
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

This is very interesting. Has anyone besides Negura compared Hydra X to AP?

Not that I know of...
post #1023 of 1816
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

This is very interesting. Has anyone besides Negura compared Hydra X to AP?

Hi guys,

Sorry for not being with you for 2 months now :)

 

I had bought a Hydra-X too, because it made a BIG improvement to my Conductor.

I had in my past Ad Labs Mars (sister company of Audiobyte), M2Tech Hi-face 1,Hi-face 2 and EVO + EVO power supply (without the EVO clock) as s/pdif interfaces. The last one did a very small improvement, and first 3 were almost indistinguishable compared to Burson own USB input.

Hydra-X did a BIG improvement to Burson Conductor, everything has changed, like I'm listening to a different DAC/Amp. I have a more tactile bass now, it is also deeper and hits harder, background is blacker and high-end of the spectrum is now very smooth and not abrasive at all. The sound over-all is more detailed and warmer, I like the change a lot.

This week-end I will try the SL1793 module too in my Conductor and will leave my impressions.

post #1024 of 1816
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

I agree, blind test will remove all biases.  It can also be very embarrassing.

 

If you have good audio memory. If you don't, it is just as useless as normal testing in my opinion.

 

I've seen this trend lately a lot. If somebody doesn't hear the difference others tell you, automatically they say that it is biased...and blind listening is required...If the blind listening is successful they say you didn't do the tests right...or something like that...

 

I've seen this especially in the "audiophile" sub-reddit. There are lots of people there that don't even believe in DACS :))) .

 

In my opinion..those people... didn't hear the right dacs or don't have the right system, or have very small audio memory or hearing problems 


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 9/20/13 at 3:06am
post #1025 of 1816

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post #1026 of 1816
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

If you have good audio memory. If you don't, it is just as useless as normal testing in my opinion.

 

I've seen this trend lately a lot. If somebody doesn't hear the difference others tell you, automatically they say that it is biased...and blind listening is required...If the blind listening is successful they say you didn't do the tests right...or something like that...

 

I've seen this especially in the "audiophile" sub-reddit. There are lots of people there that don't even believe in DACS :))) .

 

In my opinion..those people... didn't hear the right dacs or don't have the right system, or have very small audio memory or hearing problems 

 

First question:

 

Have you ever done a blind listening test?  

 

I have a number of times.  Like I said, it will remove any kind of expectation bias.  Also it can be rather embarrassing.

 

If you say you prefer one DAC, AMP or cable over the other, then it's safe to say you have pretty good audio memory.  Because you remember what you liked or disliked about all in question.  So these test are done with the assumption the participants are Audio aware and thus has pretty good audio memory.

 

I did a blind test with a very seasoned member here (Happy Camper) with two USB cables.  A Wire-World something and a stock USB cable.  The wireworld cable cost well over $100, the stock cable was just that - stock.  HC did a very good job of telling me what he like about the wireworld cable and what he didn't like about the stock cable.  So I said, if you "think" you can tell the difference pretty easy - lets test it.

 

Out of 5 tracks played the cable I preferred 3 times was the stock cable.  He didn't want to do the test himself.  Thats just one.  I've done many other in Audio stores with speaker setups.  The same thing each and every time.  The differences are to subtle to really tell.   

 

There's tons of articles on blind testing and double blind testing.  It's done all the time in Audio.

 

If you haven't done any, just try it.  the results may surprise you.

post #1027 of 1816

Totally agree about blind tests. Had a couple of surprises with cables myself :)

 

But I'm sure I could hear the difference between the LCD-2 and the LCD-3 in a blind test. That's how big the difference between Hydra and NON-Hydra is for me.

post #1028 of 1816
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post
 

Totally agree about blind tests. Had a couple of surprises with cables myself :)

 

But I'm sure I could hear the difference between the LCD-2 and the LCD-3 in a blind test. That's how big the difference between Hydra and NON-Hydra is for me.

 

Hydra and non-Hydra - your sure could tell the difference in a blind test?  Prepare to be embarrassed  :wink_face: 

post #1029 of 1816

Yeap, pretty sure. I'm reserved in such declarations since, as I said, I'm the first one to doubt what I hear. But this was pretty obvious to me.

post #1030 of 1816

I do a lot of blind tests, actually I always do blind tests when I review something :)

I am a strong believer in blind tests, that is why I do not own the fanciest cables

post #1031 of 1816
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Originally Posted by DarKu View Post

I do a lot of blind tests, actually I always do blind tests when I review something smily_headphones1.gif
I am a strong believer in blind tests, that is why I do not own the fanciest cables

Talking about embarrassing, our last test was just too funny smily_headphones1.gif)
post #1032 of 1816
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

First question:

 

Have you ever done a blind listening test?  

 

I have a number of times.  Like I said, it will remove any kind of expectation bias.  Also it can be rather embarrassing.

 

If you say you prefer one DAC, AMP or cable over the other, then it's safe to say you have pretty good audio memory.  Because you remember what you liked or disliked about all in question.  So these test are done with the assumption the participants are Audio aware and thus has pretty good audio memory.

 

I did a blind test with a very seasoned member here (Happy Camper) with two USB cables.  A Wire-World something and a stock USB cable.  The wireworld cable cost well over $100, the stock cable was just that - stock.  HC did a very good job of telling me what he like about the wireworld cable and what he didn't like about the stock cable.  So I said, if you "think" you can tell the difference pretty easy - lets test it.

 

Out of 5 tracks played the cable I preferred 3 times was the stock cable.  He didn't want to do the test himself.  Thats just one.  I've done many other in Audio stores with speaker setups.  The same thing each and every time.  The differences are to subtle to really tell.   

 

There's tons of articles on blind testing and double blind testing.  It's done all the time in Audio.

 

If you haven't done any, just try it.  the results may surprise you.

 

Blind tests are very good especially when you are not quite sure which sounds better or if there is any difference there. (especially with cables)


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 9/20/13 at 7:22am
post #1033 of 1816
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

 

Blind tests are very good especially when you are not quite sure which sounds better or if there is any difference there. (especially with cables)

 

:beerchug:

post #1034 of 1816
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

There's tons of articles on blind testing and double blind testing.  It's done all the time in Audio.

 

If you haven't done any, just try it.  the results may surprise you.

Sigh, this is how I discovered that my fancy aftermarket cables do zilch to headphones sound. After that I started questioning and carefully testing everything I throw into my system.

 

Funny how all that works, as even when the difference is in fact there, the amount of it greatly diminishes in blind vs sighted test, sometimes up to the point of questioning the wise of expenditure. :triportsad: 

 

@Preproman, didn't you get Hydra-X as well, I don't remember reading your impressions on it or any comments at all?


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 9/20/13 at 9:27am
post #1035 of 1816
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
 

 

@Preproman, didn't you get Hydra-X as well, I don't remember reading your impressions on it or any comments at all?

 

 

It was DOA :confused:  I still might get another depending on what DAC I end up with.

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