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post #46 of 68
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If you are considering the XB series...before you do...just make sure you read this thread :) I agree with you the Pro 900's are fickle...but just read this before you make up your mind.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/626174/comparison-ultrasone-pro-900-vs-sony-xb1000-bass-faceoff

 

It was a recent thread.

... I was there, In fact I REVIVED that thread xD so I've read over EVERYTHING there thank you though

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

I would get the Ultrasone Pro 900 over any of the Sony XB series...one of my previous roommate used to have them all (in successive upgrades). So I've listened to them a lot, the bass thump and extension (depending on the model) is the only thing good about them. They're okay, but nothing special. I would pick the Pro 900 in an instant over any of the Sony XB models. 

 

Also, the S-Logic is somewhat useful. It's essentially angled drivers which hit the outer ear and thus enter your ears somewhat more naturally. Hitting the targeted regions results in clearer auditory sensations and thus the auditory perception is better. Well that's what they say...but the main thing is that it's a Closed and Sealed headphone. This is where I prefer the D2000 better. The soundstage is definitely better on the D2000 since it's not sealed. It's closed, but not sealed - hence the leakage. Overall, the Denon's unsealed cups gives better performance than S-Logic in that regard. Also now days a lot of headphones have started angling their drivers, so I don't really pay attention to S-Logic or whatever they want to call it. You just can't fake acoustic physics.

 

Also OP, I highly recommend you trying the HE-400. They would be in your budget. You can find them used as well for quite cheap on the forums here. I got my HE-500 around the $500 mark. So anything is possible. One of the reason I stay away from the pro 900 now is because of the fatigue and loss of hearing. Some might not find them shrill, but your ears still take a toll - your brain just adjusts, but the hearing once gone won't come back. Another place where D2000 does well. Always turn down the volume to the lowest with the pro 900s - just trying to save your ears :)

ANd yea I feel you there, I like the XB series because only the Bass is good... everything else is Sufficent! So for those times that I just want some big nasty ANGRY or super mellowed out Dub Step... the Xb's never let me dwn! So the concept of the 1000 appeals to me, improve the 700 series but keep the sound signiture... COOL

 

And again I have faith in the EDM powers of the dt 880, the EDM thread  likes them with EDM music so I'm sure i will ^^, Still though it's nice to hear the d2k r nice to, 

 

I looked at the D5000 as well which where around the same price of the HE-400, still I'd like to have a nice collection of cans so <3 I'll get them all eventually! 

post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

I would get the Ultrasone Pro 900 over any of the Sony XB series...one of my previous roommate used to have them all (in successive upgrades). So I've listened to them a lot, the bass thump and extension (depending on the model) is the only thing good about them. They're okay, but nothing special. I would pick the Pro 900 in an instant over any of the Sony XB models. 

 

Also, the S-Logic is somewhat useful. It's essentially angled drivers which hit the outer ear and thus enter your ears somewhat more naturally. Hitting the targeted regions results in clearer auditory sensations and thus the auditory perception is better. Well that's what they say...but the main thing is that it's a Closed and Sealed headphone. This is where I prefer the D2000 better. The soundstage is definitely better on the D2000 since it's not sealed. It's closed, but not sealed - hence the leakage. Overall, the Denon's unsealed cups gives better performance than S-Logic in that regard. Also now days a lot of headphones have started angling their drivers, so I don't really pay attention to S-Logic or whatever they want to call it. You just can't fake acoustic physics.

 

Sony XB are definitely not high end. The main thing these have going for them is comfort. Definitely for fans of Bose sound with exaggerated bass. Even XB1000 are very bassy, and they're the least.

DT880-250 are quite a bit better than those with the right amount of bass and much better control.

 

S-Logic is not simply an angled driver. It's actually some metal plate in front of the driver creating an extra reflector for the sound as well as specific driver placement (not just angle). The aim is to increase reverberation to make it sound more natural - the cost is more distortion and comb filtering artifacts.

 

HE-400 are very nice, very high quality sound, but to me sounds somewhat dark - easily corrected with EQ if you like. They also require a strong amplifier.


Edited by AstralStorm - 9/30/12 at 4:26am
post #48 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

 

Sony XB are definitely not high end. The main thing these have going for them is comfort. Definitely for fans of Bose sound with exaggerated bass. Even XB1000 are very bassy, and they're the least.

DT880-250 are quite a bit better than those with the right amount of bass and much better control.

 

S-Logic is not simply an angled driver. It's actually some metal plate in front of the driver creating an extra reflector for the sound as well as specific driver placement (not just angle). The aim is to increase reverberation to make it sound more natural - the cost is more distortion and comb filtering artifacts.

 

HE-400 are very nice, very high quality sound, but to me sounds somewhat dark - easily corrected with EQ if you like. They also require a strong amplifier.

Good stuff, yea the XB series isn't High end... I never attest to saying that they are <3, and in actually the XB series has something simmilar to that s logic, the drivers r usually suffocated for extra reverb, which means more bloated bass and harsh highs [when you remove this film] you get better control, deeper bass and less fatigued highs [mine r modded and dont have that film] SO in thoery if u can mod then XB1000 it should be epic for BASS heavy music... but it's still not high end

 

Also the HE-400 is a good bass can as well... hmm I've heard people recommened the HE-500 an awful lot? The 500 is brighter though... [seeing as BASS cans r usually darker] How would u compare then 400 and 500? [I'm planing on getting one of them in the next 7 months <3] 

post #49 of 68
I enjoy submersing myself into my big XB's with some Juan Atkins on the box.

Very nice.

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post #50 of 68
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I enjoy submersing myself into my big XB's with some Juan Atkins on the box.
Very nice.
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Aww Man you gonna make me buy those 1000s xD *shakes it off* I CAN W8 a few MONTHS <.< I hope

post #51 of 68
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Good stuff, yea the XB series isn't High end... I never attest to saying that they are <3, and in actually the XB series has something simmilar to that s logic, the drivers r usually suffocated for extra reverb, which means more bloated bass and harsh highs [when you remove this film] you get better control, deeper bass and less fatigued highs [mine r modded and dont have that film] SO in thoery if u can mod then XB1000 it should be epic for BASS heavy music... but it's still not high end

 

Also the HE-400 is a good bass can as well... hmm I've heard people recommened the HE-500 an awful lot? The 500 is brighter though... [seeing as BASS cans r usually darker] How would u compare then 400 and 500? [I'm planing on getting one of them in the next 7 months <3] 

 

I actually meant HE-500, I always confuse these two numbers. HE-400, while also very good, is a bit grainy, but not in frequency response or any resonances, probably distortion?

HE-500 is not really ear piercingly bright (no resonances) - but it is brighter than many headphones. Beats Audeze LCD 2 hands down on detailing and also is very expensive, far out of your budget.

 

XB1000 is not good for bass heavy music - there is too much of good thing and this especially applies to bass boosts. No, it doesn't have anything like S-Logic (fortunately), but does have long midbass decays similar to Beyerdynamic DT1350's upper bass reverb - but those beat it hands down on bass control. Some like those reverbs, others don't.

I prefer slightly less of it than that. XB1000 bass is also slowish (there are slower out there), not the best decay and not the cleanest.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/1/12 at 12:47am
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

 

I actually meant HE-500, I always confuse these two numbers. HE-400, while also very good, is a bit grainy, but not in frequency response or any resonances, probably distortion?

HE-500 is not really ear piercingly bright (no resonances) - but it is brighter than many headphones. Beats Audeze LCD 2 hands down on detailing and also is very expensive, far out of your budget.

 

XB1000 is not good for bass heavy music - there is too much of good thing and this especially applies to bass boosts. No, it doesn't have anything like S-Logic (fortunately), but does have long midbass decays similar to Beyerdynamic DT1350's upper bass reverb - but those beat it hands down on bass control. Some like those reverbs, others don't.

I prefer slightly less of it than that. XB1000 bass is also slowish (there are slower out there), not the best decay and not the cleanest.

You might be right but cxmon man a sexy 70mm driver ME GUSTA, but I do want the HE-500 before next September! Since I'll b working soon I can pull it off! [Heck in the spring I get another  fat College refund check <3] 

post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

XB1000 is not good for bass heavy music

Works great for me.
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by Croozer View Post


Works great for me.

Every one has different expectations and prefrances for bass music, I really dig my XB 700's and OMG my cMoy brings out ALOT of detail that the Fiio was turning into mud [its a pretty DARK amp].

 

So yea I hear the XB1000 has MORE detail than the 700, add that to my Very Nice cMoy and ZOMG [not to mention the Hifiman DAP has more Bass Impact and quality than my Old zune <3]

 

So I'm going to get them... soon I hope <3

 

Also Astral you where a little off about the cMoy being more bassier than the Fiio E11, the cMoy with no burn in has more Mid bass and MUCH more clarity and detail but less Sub bass than the E6, now the cMoy is still the better amp and I'm sure around 50+ horus of burn in it exceed the E6 on all lvls. So in the end yea cMoy GREAT choice, but it did NOT have more Sub bass but rather it had some nice Mid boosting [still with Burn in it'll b much better] 

 

But here's my point, have you actually listened to the XB series? Un amped my XB700 has some nice detail, with the cMoy it's still good detail AND check this, the XB1000  SHOULD NOT have the exaggerated bass the XB700 does [because with the Fiio E6 its VERY exagerated] , the 1000 is more refined. So your statement about "too much of a good thing" applies very much to the 700, there are some songs where I'd like less bass just because it's so exaggerted  and lacking in detail [but not muddy more like dull] So again, I'm confident that the 1000 will keep the dark OMG BASS sound sig of the XB series but will also have more control and less exageration... granted I'm not going to say its an EDM king but... ME Gusta <3

 

Still though I do apreshiate your imput <3, ur cMoy suggestion was right on the MONEY

post #55 of 68

Of course does not have much exaggerated bass. XB1000 does have about 6 dB boost in midbass (around 120 Hz) - I don't like this kind of warm boost added to my bass. It also causes some small amount of midrange bleed.

XB700 has very slightly more bass, but I heard it do noticeably better on control than XB1000. Both are the same relatively ugly signature.

Again, in the price range Beyers DT-1350 usually destroy Sony XB1000 in bass handling. (due to Beyer QC issues I can't say always)

 

I'd rather call E11 a warmer amp than cMoyBB. (whatever that means - I'd say it has slightly more second harmonics) Boost for boost the former is somewhat too warm.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/3/12 at 1:17am
post #56 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

Of course does not have much exaggerated bass. XB1000 does have about 6 dB boost in midbass (around 120 Hz) - I don't like this kind of warm boost added to my bass. It also causes some small amount of midrange bleed.

XB700 has very slightly more bass, but I heard it do noticeably better on control than XB1000. Both are the same relatively ugly signature.

Again, in the price range Beyers DT-1350 usually destroy Sony XB1000 in bass handling. (due to Beyer QC issues I can't say always)

 

I'd rather call E11 a warmer amp than cMoyBB. (whatever that means - I'd say it has slightly more second harmonics) Boost for boost the former is somewhat too warm.

 

"i'd say it has slightly more second harmonics" lmfaooo what??? Mind explaining that statement to me please?

 

What exactly are you referring to? What's the fundamental frequency you're going with in relation to your overtones?....I'm a bit lost. 

post #57 of 68
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

"i'd say it has slightly more second harmonics" lmfaooo what??? Mind explaining that statement to me please?

 

What exactly are you referring to? What's the fundamental frequency you're going with in relation to your overtones?....I'm a bit lost. 

 

Any frequency in case of an amplifier - they usually distort the same in most of the range with exception of very low end in cheap capacitively coupled crud and possible exception of very high end > 18k. 2nd harmonics (actually all even order, but mostly this) are the archetypical "tube amp" sound, considered warm.

post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

I'd rather call E11 a warmer amp than cMoyBB. (whatever that means - I'd say it has slightly more second harmonics) Boost for boost the former is somewhat too warm.

Yea I feel you there, the Fiio E6 is also too warm now that I've heard the cMoy

 

and My friend I like teh sony Sound signiture <3, but I do want a pair of 600 ohm Dt 990s for Mid bass the sonys r PURELY dubstep and dubstep should always be MEGA BASSY and FILTHY dark lol, sonys and Dub Step are true lovers, nice to hear that the Xb1000 has the extra mids bass, because again XB series is Dub Step only

 

Back on target how is the Dt 990 600ohm for mid bass? Looking for a controlled but impactful can [screw the pro 900 <3] 

 

I will say Astrals advice is usually always on target, he knows what he talking about [or so it SEEMS lol] But Astral as much as I love balanced sound I enjoy a little unbalnce too some times! 


Edited by Mshenay - 10/3/12 at 7:41am
post #59 of 68

DT 990 (not 600 Ohm, hard to find it, nobody stocks it - but I bet it sounds very similar) is a very good headphone. It's mostly bit brighter and warmer than DT 880 with much less distortion and slightly better decay in everywhere but subbass, where it slightly lags. Highly analytic. (no, I do not mean "lacks bass")

Equalization is recommended.

 

Good upgrade over DT880.


Edited by AstralStorm - 10/3/12 at 8:20am
post #60 of 68
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

DT 990 (not 600 Ohm, hard to find it, nobody stocks it - but I bet it sounds very similar) is a very good headphone. It's mostly bit brighter and warmer than DT 880 with much less distortion and slightly better decay in everywhere but subbass, where it slightly lags. Highly analytic. (no, I do not mean "lacks bass")

Equalization is recommended.

 

Good upgrade over DT880.

it's an upgrade and it costs less... what? I think you have them confused, from what I've heard the dt 990 is a more bass heavy can that is not as clean as the Dt 880. The pro 990 is a bass can on the same level as the Pro 900 [which btw has roll offs like a mug] amazon has 10 Pro 900's left

 

 

 

 

My point exactly, do you see how there is that hump in the bass response around 80 hz that starts to roll off around 150hz or so, that's a mid bass can, the pro 900 being the refrance. In edtion... wow the difference between the 600 Ohm and the (250 i hope) is rather significant! The lower Ohm starts to roll off pretty quick, but it has a little better Sub-lower mid bass, where as the 600ohm has much better mid-upper mid bass with not as good Sub... Great I'd like to have em both really e.e the lower ohm first since it's cheaper and theres more than 16 online -.-

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