Originally Posted by machoboy
I don't like Beats either but there are already so many Beats rant threads... This isn't really news
I wasn't focusing on the beats as much as asking about their DAC setup lol
Originally Posted by obobskivich
No, they're really that underwhelming. Price doesn't dictate quality, especially with luxury products. If it was a "bad amplifier or DAC" (which doesn't work as a technical explanation), it would still not explain what you're hearing (especially with the Beats Pro, which are a very invariant load). I don't consider the Beats Pro to be legitimately competitive with other $300-$400 headphones, and I think many others fit into that boat as well.
So no, nobody is being ignorant here - it's just the unfortunate reality of how over-priced a lot of headphones have gotten recently. I think you've probably found a curious gem with your $30 pair of headphones as well, got any more information on them?
This thread is kind of neat in it's own way too - kind of an "eye opening experience with hi-fi" sort of thing that we get to watch a new user go through.
I'd appreciate less hate-words in the future. Just saying.
Anyways, to respond: from a technical perspective the above is not really rational. Both because most of the headphones they sell are invariant, and because it's needlessly complicated. That said, every Best Buy I've seen (which is not "lots") have demo stations that let users connect their own source directly to the headphones, which basically eliminates all of the above problems. I still think you'll find the Beats Pro coming up short when you take their price into account, but overall they aren't "terrible" - it's just that you can get really good sound for under $100, and they're asking $400 for the same.
Well, I'm not exactly new to Hi-Fi, I have pretty decent studio monitors hooked up to my computer's Auzentech X-Fi Home Theater HD analogue out, a Gallo Nucleus center for home theater use only, and a Velodyne ULD-18 400 watt 18" 10 ohm sub amped by a Velodyne ULD 18 400 watt class B servo controller (there's an accelerometer attached to the woofer diaphragm that measures woofer movement about 3000 times a second and constantly corrects the position to eliminate distortion, as well as makes the woofer itself more stiff. It's the most musical subwoofer Iv'e ever heard, and puts out 104db @ 20Hz with under 0.5% THD (total harmonic distortion), and that's not the THD on the amplification, it comes out of the woofer itself via sound waves, oh, and it does this with a QUARTER INCH OF EXCURSION, which is precisely why it sounds so damn musical. The average car subwoofer has about 20-30% THD, if you wanna go louder, it's capable of over 120db @ 20Hz with under 3% THD, and the sub's -3 db cutoff is at 13Hz. Oh, and it's the PRIME DRIVER for the ULD 18 model.
My studio monitors, 5" Kevlar woofers and 1" Silk domes
3" Center channel $200 Gallo nucleus I got as a gift from a friend. I only use it for home theater use while watching movies because voices sound so natural with it. and my computer is setup so that lower frequencies go to the studio monitors.
And, the sound card analogue out has like .00003% THD, and is extremely high quality, and a much better DAC than you will find in even in that true high fidelity NAD T751 home theater receiver you see under the Velodyne amp.
I might be piss poor with money, but for about a grand spent on my entire system, it's phenomenal. I'm seriously doubting that anyone that posted on my topic has ever heard a sub that sounds more clean and hits as deep as that, and the sub only cost me $200 from a guy who used to build them, AKA my friend's dad, who has crazy stuff like a set of JMlab micro utopies, a $4,000 pair of ATC bookshelf speakers, a home theater center using a nice in wall sub, gallo 3.1 system worth 4 grand itself and some gallo nucleus for the rear all driven by mcintosh tube amps, and he has a lot more crazy stuff that Iv'e heard.
Originally Posted by pickleweed
Interesting this came up today. I went to best buy earlier today to try and test some akg 550's. They didn't have those on display, but various kiosks scattered throughout the store with multiple other options. Of course the beats had their own display independent and away from the other "monitoring" headphones. Anyways, I took a listen. First the beats. Alright, sounded pretty sloppy. And I brushed them off as, eh, their beats. Then I go to the monitoring headphone kiosk....give those a test.....while certainly not so bass sloppy, none of these actually sounded very good either. There was no separation. It all felt very compressed, as if it was shot through a telephoto lens for the more visually inclined. And there was next to no bass. I listened to a pioneer hdj 2000, a sennheiser 280, and another sennheiser I don't remember the model. None of them matched anywhere close to my shure 840's with e17. Now i KNOW that some of these were well respected around here, so it can only be that they havent been reasonably demo'd.
Simply put, if I was unaware, assuming all of these were demo'd optimally, and I tested out all of these.....the beats would have won. But they're not.
And I don't know which best buy you're going to, but There was no way they'd let me hook up my own sources. Hell, they wouldn't even let me test the akg's I wanted to try. They told me I could buy them and return them if I didn't like them,.... maybe that would be the best option considering......
I don't understand it either, they should provide a good fool proof source like an ipad hooked up to a high quality DAC that anyone can use IMO
Originally Posted by Ishcabible
Actually, the Pros really improve with ampage, probably because of their hilariously low ohmage (18ohms)
But regarding the lack of a good source, does it actually matter? I mean honestly, most of the people that buy Beats won't be able to tell the difference between amped headphones and unamped headphones, so basically more money is being spent for no actual reason. None of the Beats are technically good, that's not their deal. Their main goal, no matter what they try to tell you, is to have an incredibly fun, unrefined sound that appeals to Gen Y.
Haha my crossfades are 32 ohm 55mm dual diaphragm drivers and they get like 5 times better from an ipod to using a high quality headphone amp. I noticed that an ipod will literally start making the bass clip from not enough power to make the headphones work right on high volumes.