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post #5896 of 9059

I picked up an xbox 360 controller for some steam games I've been playing. I was going to get the xbox one controller but it's pretty ridiculous how much that controller costs. I didn't realize how much of a difference a controller makes with pc gaming.It's much more comfortable and I don't need to take rests when my hand gets tired over hovering over the same keys for hours at at time. 

post #5897 of 9059
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
 

I picked up an xbox 360 controller for some steam games I've been playing. I was going to get the xbox one controller but it's pretty ridiculous how much that controller costs. I didn't realize how much of a difference a controller makes with pc gaming.It's much more comfortable and I don't need to take rests when my hand gets tired over hovering over the same keys for hours at at time. 

It was on sale for like $45 the other day

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/search?q=xbox+one+controller&restrict_sr=on

 

Another sale for $25 for a used controller

 

And a sale for a free Xbox 360 Wired Controller After MIR on TD

 

If you know where to look , it won't cost $60 for a controller. 

post #5898 of 9059

I still don't get how Microsoft can't get that D-Pad right. It's an improvement but Nintendo still has the best one hands down, followed by Sony.

 

IMO too tactile to be a D-Pad.

post #5899 of 9059
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I still don't get how Microsoft can't get that D-Pad right. It's an improvement but Nintendo still has the best one hands down, followed by Sony.

 

IMO too tactile to be a D-Pad.

It has to be intentional or something.

 

The D pad they have...is literally just a fricking carved out + sign pad. 

 

It is obvious that each and every one of those companies have done extensive market research and testing of each others products, what makes it 'click' etc.

 

Did some googling and just found the answer I had a hunch on.

 

Yeah, Nintendo had a US patent (and most likely in other nations) on the directional D pad style they use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-pad#Patents

http://www.google.com/patents/US4687200

 

It expired in 2005. However when you look at release date of Xbox 360 which was late 2005, it is obvious why they couldn't use it. You can't just 'use' a design that is patented even if it is expiring later that year. You do not know what the main company can do with it, what they will file and you will get into a massive schiit storm of sanctions if you knowingly infringe by making a stupid decision of saying screw it and copy it.

 

This is only in the US though, not sure what patents are still valid in other country's or what Nintedo et all's paln is for it

 

However we now see that the Xbone uses the + direction pad that Nintendo is famous for, and has made it tougher and more like Nintendo's.

 

So there is your answer. 

 

But of course, sometimes not using another company's 'design' even if you can may just mean defeat for you

post #5900 of 9059
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It has to be intentional or something.

 

The D pad they have...is literally just a fricking carved out + sign pad. 

 

It is obvious that each and every one of those companies have done extensive market research and testing of each others products, what makes it 'click' etc.

 

Did some googling and just found the answer I had a hunch on.

 

Yeah, Nintendo had a US patent (and most likely in other nations) on the directional D pad style they use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-pad#Patents

http://www.google.com/patents/US4687200

 

It expired in 2005. However when you look at release date of Xbox 360 which was late 2005, it is obvious why they couldn't use it. You can't just 'use' a design that is patented even if it is expiring later that year. You do not know what the main company can do with it, what they will file and you will get into a massive schiit storm of sanctions if you knowingly infringe by making a stupid decision of saying screw it and copy it.

 

This is only in the US though, not sure what patents are still valid in other country's or what Nintedo et all's paln is for it

 

However we now see that the Xbone uses the + direction pad that Nintendo is famous for, and has made it tougher and more like Nintendo's.

 

So there is your answer. 

 

But of course, sometimes not using another company's 'design' even if you can may just mean defeat for you

I know the patent history behind Nintendo's D-pad, and even though that patent has expired Microsoft still manages to do a very meh job on the D-pad. I'm complaining about the switches. The shape, great, they have it down. The switches? Clicky, wat?

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I know the patent history behind Nintendo's D-pad, and even though that patent has expired Microsoft still manages to do a very meh job on the D-pad. I'm complaining about the switches. The shape, great, they have it down. The switches? Clicky, wat?

 

Who knows why really. But I can tell you that it is obviously on purpose. Sometimes political (in a business sense), sometimes to try something out, sometimes because it worked in isolated testing, and sometiems just because of design.

 

Despite how intensive industry stuff is, it is also very fractured. There is a reason why people obviously have preferences and often clear winners despite all the testing methology etc that corporations do.

 

I mean, look at the RROD. There couldn't have been not a single engineer at Microsoft who did testing that noticed that inadequate cooling was happening and could lead to probable issues down the road. 

 

But hey, corporate B.S when you start having to answer to m arketing departments, design teams, ETA's etc.

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Someone reads naughty things. Ecchi.

post #5903 of 9059
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Someone reads naughty things. Ecchi.

OMFG

 

It took me a moment to get what you meant, I didn't even notice

 

I found this picture off Google, and it didn't look like anything I recognized until I looked closer just now

 

Yes,... I recognize it now, the face was drawn weird so....dayummm

 

Yeah, it is quite Ecchi....

post #5904 of 9059
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OMFG

 

It took me a moment to get what you meant, I didn't even notice

 

I found this picture off Google, and it didn't look like anything I recognized until I looked closer just now

 

Yes,... I recognize it now, the face was drawn weird so....dayummm

 

Yeah, it is quite Ecchi....

 

And I'm glad that I'm not the only one around these parts who reads it. The art style and the hair clip gave it away for me.

 

And now back to directional pads!

post #5905 of 9059

Picked up a Samsung S23C570H PLS monitor for just over $85 shipped thanks to several Newegg savings. 20% off coupon, gift card and $15 back from Amex. Really looking forward to getting it on Thursday, calibrating it, and spending some time gaming. Before this breaks into 1ms vs 5ms, I'm not a super competitive gamer; 5ms displays are more than adequate for me and the PLS has better color reproduction and viewing angles than cheap TN panels.

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Picked up a Samsung S23C570H PLS monitor for just over $85 shipped thanks to several Newegg savings. 20% off coupon, gift card and $15 back from Amex. Really looking forward to getting it on Thursday, calibrating it, and spending some time gaming. Before this breaks into 1ms vs 5ms, I'm not a super competitive gamer; 5ms displays are more than adequate for me and the PLS has better color reproduction and viewing angles than cheap TN panels.

WTF you just say!?

 

Any uber PC Muster racer out there needs to onnly ever use 1ms ever.

 

5ms is so slow that I can tell the difference eyes closed, plugged in with VGA, and with my back turned. It creates a different sonic characteristic that only a genius like me can decipher. I speakz its language you see.

 

5ms is the difference between something like this'

 

You see, the reponse time of the monitor reacts to the real time centripital force of the world. Where an infinitely small zero-sum response time is the only one capable of being on par with the real world line you see. Any minute deviation past it is just an occurance of the 'past' that delivers itself to you.

 

It's a fake you see.

 

Screw those studies about human eye differentiating past 5ms and 2ms offering decent benefits for gaming. Those guys don't know what they are talking about. They don't know about the 'real world lines' that we operate on. 

 

Stupid Einsteinists and Newtonianists made the world all wonky. 

 

/rant

 

Listen to Panda

 

Get 1ms at the least, or at best, an infinitely small value for a monitor to not see any pixel distortions. 

post #5907 of 9059

^ TBH it's a matter of preferences. I'm personally a 120Hz monitor user and I wouldn't settle for less refresh rate. I prioritize smooth motion over image quality. I still value color balance very highly though (greyish shades have to be grey, not purplish not greenish tint etc), contrast ratios, viewing angles etc lesser so.

Waiting for the G-sync monitors to come out so I can finally upgrade my first gen 120Hz monitor.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/16/14 at 4:17pm
post #5908 of 9059

I have a 420Hz monitor with a 0.1337ms response time.  

 

I don't know much about display technology but the (amoled?) screen on my galaxy S3 looks sooooo much better than my 23 inch monitor.  THE BLACKS, SO BLACK.  I'm not even joking.  It hides the artifacting so well.  But it'd be trash for gaming because you wouldn't be able to see the camping skrublords prone in dark corners. 

 

My monitor is actually 75Hz and I remember in BF 3 I knew the difference when V sync was on or off.  Totally not placebo.


Edited by linglingjr - 6/16/14 at 7:16pm
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I have a 420Hz monitor with a 0.1337ms response time.  

I don't know much about display technology but the (amoled?) screen on my galaxy S3 looks sooooo much better than my 23 inch monitor.  THE BLACKS, SO BLACK.  I'm not even joking.  It hides the artifacting so well.  But it'd be trash for gaming because you wouldn't be able to see the camping skrublords prone in dark corners. 

My monitor is actually 75Hz and I remember in BF 3 I knew the difference when V sync was on or off.  Totally not placebo.
Hm. A panel with Hz that isn't a multiple of 30...
post #5910 of 9059
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Hm. A panel with Hz that isn't a multiple of 30...
Well any decent tv or projector will do 24hz, and a whole bunch of older more square monitors use 75hz.

EDIT: Also, the hz is known as the refresh rate. wink.gif
Edited by gopanthersgo1 - 6/16/14 at 10:14pm
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