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post #5761 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

 

@ the buyer dude

 

Stop, and think about that build for a second. You seem to be a bit over the place. With the case, choice in PSU, and CPU etc. Think about the purpose of the system. Your comment on how cool it was that the case has 6 HDD trays, choice of an outdated motherboard, and Xeon CPU without reason despite claiming for just a gaming rig is throwing up some 'yellow' flags.

 

Yellow flags being that the OP needs to do more thinking on purpose of the system and part selection.

Well, we were on a tight budget (wouldn't want to spend too much and risk not being able to ship all of out stuff out and/or be able to fly home). That's all I can say on the motherboard. As for the CPU, I thought Xeon was great in overall stability. I'm not a fan of OC'ing, and I don't plan to do so because my PC'll burst into flames if I do.

 

Also, the purpose of the system is not just for gaming, but pretty much everything. Sorry if we don't have much money to splurge on the whole build. The mobo was a last-minute pick, the CPU was cheaper than its equivalent (Haswell i7), and my dad picked the PSU for us. So I'm sorry if I or my dad picked the wrong parts, because right now, we have just about enough to ship all of this and get us to fly home.

 

And now, I've got nothing to spend on audio gear. XD

 

But hey, once we get settled in, I'll talk my dad into getting a better PSU and mobo.

 

Now. excuse me while you babble about my sis' rig and while I try to fix my USB problem.

post #5762 of 9059
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Well, we were on a tight budget (wouldn't want to spend too much and risk not being able to ship all of out stuff out and/or be able to fly home). That's all I can say on the motherboard. As for the CPU, I thought Xeon was great in overall stability. I'm not a fan of OC'ing, and I don't plan to do so because my PC'll burst into flames if I do.

 

Also, the purpose of the system is not just for gaming, but pretty much everything. Sorry if we don't have much money to splurge on the whole build. The mobo was a last-minute pick, the CPU was cheaper than its equivalent (Haswell i7), and my dad picked the PSU for us. So I'm sorry if I or my dad picked the wrong parts, because right now, we have just about enough to ship all of this and get us to fly home.

 

And now, I've got nothing to spend on audio gear. XD

 

But hey, once we get settled in, I'll talk my dad into getting a better PSU and mobo.

 

Now. excuse me while you babble about my sis' rig and while I try to fix my USB problem.

You still haven't mentioned prices

 

You mentioned China so prices are much different.

 

Haven't looked at Xeon benchmarks for Haswell, but that Xeon series did well in the past for being an i7 intermediate at a good price.

 

There are better motherboards at $100. Asrock's other mobo's and some MSI's.

 

For the most part, OC'ing isn't exactly something that needs to be done by most people nowadays. It's more of an enthusiast thing. And frankly, Intel is also charging an arm and a leg for them K series in terms of ROI

 

Depending on what else your system is using...and the quality of that PSU, you may be in a bit of trouble. Only a VERY QUALITY PSU can handle your current system at max load with only 450W. The GPU itself at max is already 250W

 

Add in the PSU efficency, and efficency degradation, and if the PSU can sustain that load even is another issue.

 

....the difference between a good psu and mobo now is MUCH cheaper than later.

 

Why spend $100 for a mobo you quickly found with a few negative feedbacks online when $30 more can get you one of the hottest bought boards in the price range?

 

Why spend $40 for that PSU, when another $20 can get you a great PSU in that range?

post #5763 of 9059

you know these people are trying to give you some proper suggestions...

gtx 770 is a stretch from being a budget build. i wouldn't say they're babbling.

 

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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

It's much harder nowadays for a bad PSU to fry an entire system due to many failsafes....but yeah, it can happen. 

 

 

 

@ the buyer dude

 

Stop, and think about that build for a second. You seem to be a bit over the place. With the case, choice in PSU, and CPU etc. Think about the purpose of the system. Your comment on how cool it was that the case has 6 HDD trays, choice of an outdated motherboard, and Xeon CPU without reason despite claiming for just a gaming rig is throwing up some 'yellow' flags.

 

Yellow flags being that the OP needs to do more thinking on purpose of the system and part selection.

 

depends on your definition of bad PSU. what do you mean by bad PSU? is it something like corsair CX...?

 

because there are local brand PSU that's worse than corsair CX and would make corsair CX looks like a platinum psu in comparison. (a little exaggeration but yeah)

 

 

 


Edited by rovopio - 6/3/14 at 9:25pm
post #5764 of 9059
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

 

depends on your definition of bad PSU. what do you mean by bad PSU? is it something like corsair CX...?

 

because there are local brand PSU that's worse than corsair CX and would make corsair CX looks like a platinum psu in comparison. (a little exaggeration but yeah)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148050&cm_re=PSU_500w-_-17-148-050-_-Product

 

500W, $24.99 with mass majority of feedback saying that it sucked and broke before the UPS guy even arrived.

 

Can you rephrase your second sentence? I can understand it.

 

Local Branded PSU's?.....local branded ones that aren't OEM's with NDA's to larger companies should be avoided unless proven otherwise. 

post #5765 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

You still haven't mentioned prices

 

You mentioned China so prices are much different.

 

Haven't looked at Xeon benchmarks for Haswell, but that Xeon series did well in the past for being an i7 intermediate at a good price.

 

There are better motherboards at $100. Asrock's other mobo's and some MSI's.

 

For the most part, OC'ing isn't exactly something that needs to be done by most people nowadays. It's more of an enthusiast thing. And frankly, Intel is also charging an arm and a leg for them K series in terms of ROI

 

Depending on what else your system is using...and the quality of that PSU, you may be in a bit of trouble. Only a VERY QUALITY PSU can handle your current system at max load with only 450W. The GPU itself at max is already 250W

 

Add in the PSU efficency, and efficency degradation, and if the PSU can sustain that load even is another issue.

 

....the difference between a good psu and mobo now is MUCH cheaper than later.

 

Why spend $100 for a mobo you quickly found with a few negative feedbacks online when $30 more can get you one of the hottest bought boards in the price range?

 

Why spend $40 for that PSU, when another $20 can get you a great PSU in that range?

Prices. Right. Well, right now, I don't have Dropbox with me (wouldn't want to install everything else until the USB ports are fully up and running), but here's what I can remember. Oh yeah, all prices are rounded up to the nearest 5 or 10:

  • CPU: 1400 RMB [$225]
  • GPU: 1600 RMB [$260]
  • RAM: 760 RMB [$125]
  • MoBo: 500 RMB [$80]
  • PSU: 120 RMB [$20]
  • HDD: 800 RMB [$130]
  • SSD: 800 RMB [$130; not purchased yet]

 

And that's to the best of my memory. So yeah, the MoBo and PSU are cheap as f'k, but our budget was about $1200 including a monitor (about $200 something). My plan was to get the most expensive parts (CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD, SDD) here while they're still cheaper, and by the time we settle in, we'll buy the rest. But I don't know anymore...our money's tight atm.

 

But here's another question since you guys are still talking about the PSU: how does 450W do with an E1230-V2 and a GTX650 Ti Boost? That's my current CPU/GPU.

post #5766 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148050&cm_re=PSU_500w-_-17-148-050-_-Product

 

500W, $24.99 with mass majority of feedback saying that it sucked and broke before the UPS guy even arrived.

 

Can you rephrase your second sentence? I can understand it.

 

Local Branded PSU's?.....local branded ones that aren't OEM's with NDA's to larger companies should be avoided unless proven otherwise. 

 

i meant that there are PSU that is only being sold domestically... and those PSUs sucks really bad. and your statement that "It's much harder nowadays for a bad PSU to fry an entire system due to many failsafes" is not universally true. that's my point

 

yes, budget and entry-level PSUs have failsafes. but it also depends where you live. EU and northern america have tighter regulations regarding what can be sold there. so does East Asia to some degree.

 

but when you live in other less-developed regions, everything's fair game. your electronics might not be RoHS compliant or lead-free, and for PSU... it might not even have O*P protections like budget but brand name PSUs have. anw my point is there are domestic PSUs that doesnt even have decent failsafes like you'd expect.

 

so basically tl;dr i agree with what you're saying about avoiding cheap PSUs, especially domestic cheap psu's


Edited by rovopio - 6/3/14 at 9:50pm
post #5767 of 9059
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Prices. Right. Well, right now, I don't have Dropbox with me (wouldn't want to install everything else until the USB ports are fully up and running), but here's what I can remember. Oh yeah, all prices are rounded up to the nearest 5 or 10:

  • CPU: 1400 RMB [$225]
  • GPU: 1600 RMB [$260]
  • RAM: 760 RMB [$125]
  • MoBo: 500 RMB [$80]
  • PSU: 120 RMB [$20]
  • HDD: 800 RMB [$130]
  • SSD: 800 RMB [$130; not purchased yet]

 

And that's to the best of my memory. So yeah, the MoBo and PSU are cheap as f'k, but our budget was about $1200 including a monitor (about $200 something). My plan was to get the most expensive parts (CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD, SDD) here while they're still cheaper, and by the time we settle in, we'll buy the rest. But I don't know anymore...our money's tight atm.

 

But here's another question since you guys are still talking about the PSU: how does 450W do with an E1230-V2 and a GTX650 Ti Boost? That's my current CPU/GPU.

Parts are cheaper in China? I always thought more expensive.

 

You are overpaying for the HDD. Drop the SSHD and get a normal one if regular HDD's are of good price there. A 2TB in USA can be found for $70.

 

At $80, rather than buying a gaming marketed motherboard with fancy features that feedback and reviews are noting to have problems. You could get one of the better/best consumer mainstream motherboards. To most computer users, there will be no difference.

 

The best/one of the best mainstream branded mobo will be better than a gaming marketed one at the lowest price bracket known to have issues.

 

W is not direct correlation. We've already mentioned this many times. It depends on the quality of the PSU, its rails, if it can handle the load, its efficency, and efficency degradation as the mainstays.

 

A 650Ti Boost on load uses about the same as the 770.

 

Either get a quality 450W PSU or get a mediocre 500+W PSU. Both are options and should be the same price. A uber good 450W PSU can cost more than a regular mainstream bought 700W. 

 

 

Seriously, do NOT buy a Chinese $20 modular PSU to run a Xeon, Asrock Fatality, Galaxy 770, SSD, SSHD, and a case with multiple fans and aftermarket cooler with only 450W and of modular design. That is a formula for uber trouble. 

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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

 

i meant that there are PSU that is only being sold domestically... and those PSUs sucks really bad. and your statement that "It's much harder nowadays for a bad PSU to fry an entire system due to many failsafes" is not universally true. that's my point

 

yes, budget and entry-level PSUs have failsafes. but it also depends where you live. EU and northern america have tighter regulations regarding what can be sold there. so does East Asia to some degree.

 

but when you live in other less-developed regions, everything's fair game. your electronics might not be RoHS compliant or lead-free, and for PSU... it might not even have O*P protections like budget but brand name PSUs have. anw my point is there are domestic PSUs that doesnt even have decent failsafes like you'd expect.

 

so basically tl;dr i agree with what you're saying about avoiding PSUs

My statement more or less was what you said except in TL;DR don't go into detail format.


Edited by bowei006 - 6/3/14 at 9:46pm
post #5768 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Either get a quality 450W PSU or get a mediocre 500+W PSU. Both are options and should be the same price. A uber good 450W PSU can cost more than a regular mainstream bought 700W. 

 

 

Seriously, do NOT buy a Chinese $20 modular PSU to run a Xeon, Asrock Fatality, Galaxy 770, SSD, SSHD, and a case with multiple fans and aftermarket cooler with only 450W and of modular design. That is a formula for uber trouble. 

My statement more or less was what you said except in TL;DR don't go into detail format.

 

is this parts you already bought or are going to buy...?

 

if you hvn't buy it, yeah buy smthn else. buy smthn like 500 watt or 550 watt psu. you can modify your build without increasing your budget you know. ram prices differs a lot. ram with no heatspreader is cheaper. get cheaper hdd. get 128 gb ssd.

 

idk anything. and gtx 770 is hardly a budget build. tho i admit for 260 usd its a pretty good price. considering i bought r9 270x for $283

post #5769 of 9059
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Originally Posted by rovopio View Post
 

 

is this parts you already bought or are going to buy...?

 

if you hvn't buy it, yeah buy smthn else. buy smthn like 500 watt or 550 watt psu. you can modify your build without increasing your budget you know. ram prices differs a lot. ram with no heatspreader is cheaper. get cheaper hdd. get 128 gb ssd.

 

idk anything. and gtx 770 is hardly a budget build. tho i admit for 260 usd its a pretty good price. considering i bought r9 270x for $283

A crap 500W PSU that costs $25 from the same company isn't gonna be any better lol

 

To save money, getting a $60 Samsung Evo 840 120GB would be advisable.

 

I hope you are buying the GTX 770 from legit sources and not buying it off some random seller on aliexpress or alibaba or taobao

post #5770 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

Parts are cheaper in China? I always thought more expensive.

 

You are overpaying for the HDD. Drop the SSHD and get a normal one if regular HDD's are of good price there. A 2TB in USA can be found for $70.

 

At $80, rather than buying a gaming marketed motherboard with fancy features that feedback and reviews are noting to have problems. You could get one of the better/best consumer mainstream motherboards. To most computer users, there will be no difference.

 

The best/one of the best mainstream branded mobo will be better than a gaming marketed one at the lowest price bracket known to have issues.

 

W is not direct correlation. We've already mentioned this many times. It depends on the quality of the PSU, its rails, if it can handle the load, its efficency, and efficency degradation as the mainstays.

 

A 650Ti Boost on load uses about the same as the 770.

 

Either get a quality 450W PSU or get a mediocre 500+W PSU. Both are options and should be the same price. A uber good 450W PSU can cost more than a regular mainstream bought 700W. 

 

 

Seriously, do NOT buy a Chinese $20 modular PSU to run a Xeon, Asrock Fatality, Galaxy 770, SSD, SSHD, and a case with multiple fans and aftermarket cooler with only 450W and of modular design. That is a formula for uber trouble. 

My statement more or less was what you said except in TL;DR don't go into detail format.

Well, looks like I was right about the motherboard. My dad picked that and the PSU because I don't think he knows schiit about that (he's better in the software aspect, apparently). Well, since we still have time, I'll talk my dad into buying it.

 

Anyway, as for the USB problem, I reinstalled the drivers, and there was an unidentified device being installed. I let it search for the drvivers, when the PC suddenly BSOD'ed. The STOP code is 0x07E. A quick search on About.com says that the error code is about a "SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED." Dunno what that means, but after what happened, it has to be the USB3 driver. I uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers, same thing happened. I am clueless as to what to do at this point.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, and we bought everything already.

post #5771 of 9059
Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post


Okay, thanks. Well, I just installed the new BIOS, everything seems to be working just fine. USB3.0 behavior is still the same, though (power goes through but cannot be detected by PC). I looked into the USB 3 driver folders, and I found what seems to be an x64 version, but when I open it, nothing happens. Tried opening it with administrative privileges, nothing happens. I recalled that after the BSOD and CHKDSK, the computer always asked for permission in opening an Intel eXtensible Host Controller Driver in x32 (instead of x64). I opened it, plugged in a USB 3.0 device, nothing happens. Should I just go through with the BSOD-inducing driver installation?

 

Oh yeah, as for the PSU...having used a similar PSU (different brand, similar specs) for about a year now for both gaming (from BF4 to Wolfenstein: The New Order) and movies, I think the new one should do fine. But I think I will have to upgrade the PSU when my turn comes around in a few years, so thanks for the advice.

 

Try downloading the drivers from Intel's website instead of the motherboard website, sometimes the manufacturers are slower to update their web pages.

 

Also, try dicking around in the bios to see if USB 3 is enabled and such (if there even is an option), maybe something is disabled for one reason or another.

 

If that doesn't work, then try digging for an older version of the drivers and giving them a crack.

 

The last resort is to reformat. :p

 

 
Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

Seriously, do NOT buy a Chinese $20 modular PSU to run a Xeon, Asrock Fatality, Galaxy 770, SSD, SSHD, and a case with multiple fans and aftermarket cooler with only 450W and of modular design. That is a formula for uber trouble.

 

It'll probably run fine....for a while.

 

Once can always upgrade when funds permit, no need to make a big deal over it, but I'm sure the boys are just giving fair warning that it's realllyy noooot a good idea to be using a cheapie PSU on an enthusiast system.

 

The Seasonic 860W XP2 has been running like a champ by the way (old silverstone died a few months back), the fan doesn't even turn on while mining. :D:D

post #5772 of 9059
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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Well, looks like I was right about the motherboard. My dad picked that and the PSU because I don't think he knows schiit about that (he's better in the software aspect, apparently). Well, since we still have time, I'll talk my dad into buying it.

 

Anyway, as for the USB problem, I reinstalled the drivers, and there was an unidentified device being installed. I let it search for the drvivers, when the PC suddenly BSOD'ed. The STOP code is 0x07E. A quick search on About.com says that the error code is about a "SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED." Dunno what that means, but after what happened, it has to be the USB3 driver. I uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers, same thing happened. I am clueless as to what to do at this point.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, and we bought everything already.

Did your dad tell you it was reputable?.....Don't do it then

 

Also, buy a more reputable and well performing heatsink. I linked you to a page with a massive heatsink review. Pick the one in your price range or forgo it for the time being until you have more money. Stock coolers for Intel Haswell work very well if you aren't an enthusiast and aren't encoding 24/7.

 

....Are you installing the right driver?

 

and on buying everything already

 

 

Return policy on your stuff??.....that heatsink, PSU, and possibly mobo and SSHD could easilly be changed to better quality ones..

post #5773 of 9059
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Originally Posted by deadlylover View Post
 

 

 

 

It'll probably run fine....for a while.

 

Once can always upgrade when funds permit, no need to make a big deal over it, but I'm sure the boys are just giving fair warning that it's realllyy noooot a good idea to be using a cheapie PSU on an enthusiast system.

 

The Seasonic 860W XP2 has been running like a champ by the way (old silverstone died a few months back), the fan doesn't even turn on while mining. :D:D

I'm just worried it will pop the moment he tries to play BF4 on it :tongue:

 

Yeah..but the thing is, is that the difference between this build of his and a much better one is more or less negligable....but he already bought the parts.

 

I'm running a 750W PSU in a mini-ITX build that probably pulls around 15W total when idling and 300W on full lol.... (mainly because the mini ITX build used parts from my main build as a temp computer for the summer) 

post #5774 of 9059
Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

Anyway, as for the USB problem, I reinstalled the drivers, and there was an unidentified device being installed. I let it search for the drvivers, when the PC suddenly BSOD'ed. The STOP code is 0x07E. A quick search on About.com says that the error code is about a "SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED." Dunno what that means, but after what happened, it has to be the USB3 driver. I uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers, same thing happened. I am clueless as to what to do at this point.

 

Would you mind uploading the minidumps?

post #5775 of 9059
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ITT today: People seeing BeatsGuy parts post, taking a quick look at the stuff he bought, and reacting as so:

 

Explaining the uber increase in activity and posts per hour....lol :D

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