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post #5491 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

There are those people? :confused_face_2:

 

I would figure that if you had the brains or money to buy a 780 that you would run it as high as you can.

 

Or if you were stupid and rich enough to buy a prebuilt machine with a 780 that you would also be stupid enough to just use the (ok) pre-detected graphical settings games give you without modifying it?

 

There is a medium? Who is this super man you are telling me about? Is there such a person?

Oh absolutely.  They're the same mlg pros that brag about it being easier to see people on low than ultra (which is probably true) they're also the people that ban for using color tweaker because it gives an "un-fair advantage"  A friend I used to play with has an i7 and a 7970 he used to play bf3 with everything at low (he had a 720p monitor too)

 

 

These kinds of people remind me of the guy I met in a 24/7 damavand peak server who claimed listening to FLAC while in game will lower your fps more than if you were to listen to mp3s.  IIRC Ravic plays on low with everything off all the time to maintain a constant 120fps (even when recording)

 

 EDIT: lol I just looked up the Ravic dude's pc specs and he literally has a 780 and "usually plays on low"  so he's a perfect example of some one who does that.  

 

Specs from his youtube channel:

Intel 4770K @ 4.5 ( stable @ 1.322v, I hate the "Intel lottery", I never win )

EVGA GTX 780

Samsung 840 256 GB SSD

WD Raptor 1TB HDD

WD Blue 1TB HDD


Edited by linglingjr - 5/3/14 at 10:43pm
post #5492 of 9059
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

Oh absolutely.  They're the same mlg pros that brag about it being easier to see people on low than ultra (which is probably true) they're also the people that ban for using color tweaker because it gives an "un-fair advantage"  A friend I used to play with has an i7 and a 7970 he used to play bf3 with everything at low (he had a 720p monitor too)

 

 

These kinds of people remind me of the guy I met in a 24/7 damavand peak server who claimed listening to FLAC while in game will lower your fps more than if you were to listen to mp3s.  IIRC Ravic plays on low with everything off all the time to maintain a constant 120fps (even when recording)

 

 EDIT: lol I just looked up the Ravic dude's pc specs and he literally has a 780 and "usually plays on low"  so he's a perfect example of some one who does that.  

 

Specs from his youtube chaEdit Divnnel:

Intel 4770K @ 4.5 ( stable @ 1.322v, I hate the "Intel lottery", I never win )

EVGA GTX 780

Samsung 840 256 GB SSD

WD Raptor 1TB HDD

WD Blue 1TB HDD

What?

 

How is it possible you see better on low than ultra??

 

Depending on the processing, the dude is not wrong however.

 

If the soundtrack or audio being processed is FLAC (unlikely that a game would use FLAC as an in game audible format) and is processed by the CPU or system itself. Than yes, it would have an impact on FPS.

 

FLAC doesn't 'initialize' and open as quickly and easilly as an mp3, ogg or the proprietary built in audio formats that games use. 

 

Say we had a situation of an indie game. Many indie games use audio files stores in the game directory in .ogg or mp3 format as its source for in-game audio and sounds. And say everything was processed from the CPU only without the ability to offload audio to something else. And say that this indie game as also a bit graphically intensive.

 

In this situation, than yes, FLAC will have an effect on FPS and depending on system load, what kind of drive you installed the game on, your RAM, possible spin up or latency of SSD and a lot of other factors. You will have an impact on performance. 

post #5493 of 9059
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What?

 

How is it possible you see better on low than ultra??

 

Depending on the processing, the dude is not wrong however.

 

If the soundtrack or audio being processed is FLAC (unlikely that a game would use FLAC as an in game audible format) and is processed by the CPU or system itself. Than yes, it would have an impact on FPS.

 

FLAC doesn't 'initialize' and open as quickly and easilly as an mp3, ogg or the proprietary built in audio formats that games use. 

 

Say we had a situation of an indie game. Many indie games use audio files stores in the game directory in .ogg or mp3 format as its source for in-game audio and sounds. And say everything was processed from the CPU only without the ability to offload audio to something else. And say that this indie game as also a bit graphically intensive.

 

In this situation, than yes, FLAC will have an effect on FPS and depending on system load, what kind of drive you installed the game on, your RAM, possible spin up or latency of SSD and a lot of other factors. You will have an impact on performance. 

 

People think that because there's less effects when they have everything off and stuff like grass, bushes etc doesn't render in at certain distances, less distractions and what not. if you google "playing on low settings advantage" you'll come up with a million threads like this one:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064771596239130/

 

What you're saying about flac makes sense if it was used for in game sound but I was just talking about listening to music while playing.  If you're using foobar, vlc whatever to playback your audio I'm pretty sure the extra processing that takes would be negligible to your fps in game.


Edited by linglingjr - 5/3/14 at 11:13pm
post #5494 of 9059
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

People think that because there's less effects when they have everything off and stuff like grass, bushes etc doesn't render in at certain distances, less distractions and what not. if you google "playing on low settings advantage" you'll come up with a million threads like this one:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064771596239130/

 

What you're saying about flac makes sense if it was used for in game sound but I was just talking about listening to music while playing.  If you're using foobar, vlc whatever to playback your audio I'm pretty sure the extra processing that takes would be negligible to your fps in game.

If you have a very schiit computer, it can have an effect lol with playing FLAC in the background but hey.

 

 

I'm willing to bet using one of those old Intel ATOM tablet PC's running those versions of windows 7 will show noticeable lag if you are playing a game like FTL or Frozen Synapse while playing and quickly browsing through FLAC songs in the back.

 

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 I run everything ULTRA except terrain decoration. I run that on LOW because on high it adds bushes, grass, and tress that people think they can hide behind, when in fact on low you can see their ass plain as day. If you've ever been shot while hiding in a bush, that might be why.

This is kinda valid though. Using a mix of settings to get best performance in fps, and best in game performance in seeing stuff. 

 

Some settings in games that I use does make it harder to discern enemies at farther distances than if I turned it off. Stuff like what he is saying is one of those things that you can turn off. Such as HBAO or distortion or haze effects etc. Depending on what you think, FXAA could also make it harder to see farther enemies as it produces a slight blur effect whereas MSAA and no AA produces a fake sharp and somewhat jaggy image that may help sight the enemy


Edited by bowei006 - 5/4/14 at 12:22am
post #5495 of 9059

 

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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

People think that because there's less effects when they have everything off and stuff like grass, bushes etc doesn't render in at certain distances, less distractions and what not. if you google "playing on low settings advantage" you'll come up with a million threads like this one:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064771596239130/

 

What you're saying about flac makes sense if it was used for in game sound but I was just talking about listening to music while playing.  If you're using foobar, vlc whatever to playback your audio I'm pretty sure the extra processing that takes would be negligible to your fps in game.

I cannot even play BF3 without turning some of the effects down haha.

 

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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

If you have a very schiit computer, it can have an effect lol with playing FLAC in the background but hey.

 

 

I'm willing to bet using one of those old Intel ATOM tablet PC's running those versions of windows 7 will show noticeable lag if you are playing a game like FTL or Frozen Synapse while playing and quickly browsing through FLAC songs in the back.

 

This is kinda valid though. Using a mix of settings to get best performance in fps, and best in game performance in seeing stuff. 

 

Some settings in games that I use does make it harder to discern enemies at farther distances than if I turned it off. Stuff like what he is saying is one of those things that you can turn off. Such as HBAO or distortion or haze effects etc. Depending on what you think, FXAA could also make it harder to see farther enemies as it produces a slight blur effect whereas MSAA and no AA produces a fake sharp and somewhat jaggy image that may help sight the enemy

 

1 - ATOM PCs lag regardless of background processes haha.

2 - Would help if there were FLAC hardware decoding capabilities onboard.

3 - What is wrong with WAV? :D

post #5496 of 9059

Yup if playing flac in the background is going to make a noticeable drop in fps then chances are you're already getting 5-10 fps in the first place.  

post #5497 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

After interacting with the userbase of MMO/popular PC games I have concluded one thing.

Running a game on max in their minds, does not equal running the game on max in real life.

Running the game on 1080p does not equal max for one.

Also, just had a game with another person telling me that the game looked like schiit. I asked him what he used and he replied with 'Computer'. When I asked for specifics, he said 'Nvidia'. ph34r.gif  

Nvidia? Maybe it was a Geforce GT 610!
post #5498 of 9059
I have to turn my settings to low when I record my America's Army gameplay so I get a stable 30 fps. When not recording, my GTX 750 OCed by me can get ~60 fps on high.
post #5499 of 9059
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Originally Posted by DonutDeflector View Post

I have to turn my settings to low when I record my America's Army gameplay so I get a stable 30 fps. When not recording, my GTX 750 OCed by me can get ~60 fps on high.

If you use HDMI you should really check out the HD PVR 2:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=887194&gclid=CNC75566k74CFYcDOgodyDQAkA&is=REG&Q=&A=details

 

I have seen it go very cheap, who knows eh?  :D

Really nice setup if you get a dedicated HDD and hook it up with a bastard P4 machine.

 

Something to think about if you are hardcore about recording. 

 

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P.S:  Anyone have recommendations for the quietest graphics card / CPU cooler (intel)?  Need to upgrade my 6850, as it is way too noisy inside the Node 304 chassis. The Antec 300 did not have side vents for the GPU (thankfully so haha)


Edited by Yazen - 5/4/14 at 4:58pm
post #5500 of 9059
Crap, I forgot what the Dolby surround sound headphone software was called. Any help?
post #5501 of 9059
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Originally Posted by ibob4tacoz View Post

Crap, I forgot what the Dolby surround sound headphone software was called. Any help?

...Dolby ...something something? Who knows. Never use stuff like that

 

 

Picture album of my mini-ITX build

 

Very messy. But it's only for testing. Will clean it up more before I bring it home. 

 

http://imgur.com/a/A8E95

 

 

 

Table of parted parts:

(not everything was used in the Mini-ITX build obviously)

post #5502 of 9059
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

...Dolby ...something something? Who knows. Never use stuff like that
Well, awhile ago, a guy wanted to run that through a EO7K, then to his headphones, and I might return my G35s, get the V-Moda BoomPro, and just use my M-80s for gaming. I wanted to get some surround sound since the M-80s don't exactly have the largest soundstage and I want to be able to hear zombies and players wherever they are in DayZ.
post #5503 of 9059
There's an ad for the CM Storm backlit plank and the pic spelled out "dick". I just noticed.
post #5504 of 9059
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Originally Posted by ibob4tacoz View Post

Crap, I forgot what the Dolby surround sound headphone software was called. Any help?

 

Dolby Headphone.

post #5505 of 9059
Is Razer Surround gonna be any good? They extended the free period to June 1.
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