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post #4081 of 9059
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If it didn't cost the price of a small 3rd world country to ship over I'd get a caselabs STH10.

'Murica!

 

Literally the only reason I'm willing to live here. I need to talk to Jim more...

post #4082 of 9059
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What? I'm not replacing it. The Source 220 is a beast of a case for air cooling. I just need more fans. I need to make it so I have a fan in my 3x5.25" bays to make a wind tunnel for my CPU. My single front intake is fine since I have no GPU so it works to just cool off the hard drive.

 

I want to replace my motherboard though since it isn't full ATX so there are some memory clearance issues with the Hyper 212 EVO when in a push or push-pull config.

 

I need to rebuild this thing. Need to clean it out for dust and actually work on cable management. I need to cut Corsair's schiity sleeving since it's so stiff and unusable my motherboard is slightly bent at the 24-pin area.

 

Also, the plastic connector on this thing is stupidly weak. I broke one of the SATA power connectors the first time I tried using one on my HDD.

 

 

Why are you doing that? Considering the hardware you have in there, the APU, HDD, and SSD. Why are you going to be working on the cooling solution for it when it doesn't have that much of a need? I mean, motherboards and HDD's do heat up, but they are designed to handle the heat for X amount of years and what not.

 

I mean obviously, you don't need a reason to do anything, it just doesn't sound like something someone with your hardware config would do. Unless of course, you upgraded stuff since you last told me.

post #4083 of 9059
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Misconception #1: The Stack Effect has a big affect on airflow.

FALSE

The volume of computer cases is so small that the stack affect has basically no affect on air cooling at all. Top intake is better than exhaust IN AIR COOLING because an exhaust simply ejects cold air the CPU heatsink is going to use. If anything, the top intake prevents any heat from the GPU getting into the CPU's wind tunnel. I said the stack effect is nearly irrelevant since it won't generate enough airflow to make too big of a difference. However, energy from air molecules can be transferred into the air molecules of the wind tunnel, increasing the temperature. The top intake prevents that by increasing the pressure around that area so the energy isn't transferred upwards.

 

NOTE THAT YOUR TOP INTAKE SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE CPU HEATSINK INSTEAD OF OVER IT (not as good to have it over it) AND YOUR TOP INTAKE SHOULD SPIN AT A LOWER SPEED SO IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE FLOW OF AIR TO THE CPU, NOT DISRUPTING IT.

 

I'd like to know where you got that because it might be a good read, enough to optimize my air-cooled systems a little more.

 

My situation is a bit different, though: water-cooling, with a radiator. Do you still feel that the top as intake makes sense when all that air is going through a radiator that isn't fixed to the CPU socket, or did everything you just said go flying out the window?

post #4084 of 9059
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'Murica!

 

Literally the only reason I'm willing to live here. I need to talk to Jim more...


MURICA!

Just fixed my iPhone 4s with a power drill.. Yes a power drill!  Stripped every damn screw trying to pull out the loudspeaker and antenna, drilled them out with a drill bit.

Tore the WiFi antenna a little, damaged the battery somewhat, but good as new :D

post #4085 of 9059
While we are on the topic of airflow, I'd like to ask for some advice. I'm currently running a Lancool K63 http://www.lancoolpc.com/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=42&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=96 and regretting choosing it over a Fractal case. Essentially I'd like to make my rig quieter but I don't want to have to buy another case. I'm currently running it with 2 standard 140 fans up front(intake), a 120 in back(intake), and 2 140s on top(exhaust) with a Radeon 7770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687 Can't tell if it's internal exhaust or external, the shroud seems to cover most of it inside the case but it's not a blower. I also have an i5 2500K with the stock cooler on it(the bit source of noise.) The top front fan is currently jammed and one of the topfans died a year ago so I'm essentially running 3 fans right now.

I've got 2 140mm Akasa Viper fans still in box, and am planning on picking up an Akasa Venom cooler from Sidewinderpc when it comes back in stock. I figure it's best to stick with one model of fan throughout so I'm looking for some advice as to where I should mount the vipers, the other fans will be taken out. I've got a fan controller so I've done some testing which showed having all the fans on was not as efficient as running one front fan and one top(the back fan didn't have much effect.) The top fans had a surprising impact on GPU temperatures, much more than I'd expect which made me realize I'm really quite clueless when it comes to this cooling thing. Basically my questions are: Where should I mount the two fans I've got for the best airflow? And which direction should I mount the new cooler when I get it?

Also, underclocking the CPU or GPU is fine with me. I pretty much stick to Paradox games these days so I don't require all the power I've got on tap. Temperature is already great as is, I'm just looking to mount the new fans intelligently as to get the best temps. They will be tweaked with the fan controller to run either at the slowest setting in which they will spin, or the highest setting I can get them before I start hearing them over the PSU/GPU. A passive CPU cooler may also be an option if the Venom doesn't come back in stock.
post #4086 of 9059
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While we are on the topic of airflow, I'd like to ask for some advice. I'm currently running a Lancool K63 http://www.lancoolpc.com/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=42&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=96 and regretting choosing it over a Fractal case. Essentially I'd like to make my rig quieter but I don't want to have to buy another case. I'm currently running it with 2 standard 140 fans up front(intake), a 120 in back(intake), and 2 140s on top(exhaust) with a Radeon 7770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687 Can't tell if it's internal exhaust or external, the shroud seems to cover most of it inside the case but it's not a blower. I also have an i5 2500K with the stock cooler on it(the bit source of noise.) The top front fan is currently jammed and one of the topfans died a year ago so I'm essentially running 3 fans right now.

I've got 2 140mm Akasa Viper fans still in box, and am planning on picking up an Akasa Venom cooler from Sidewinderpc when it comes back in stock. I figure it's best to stick with one model of fan throughout so I'm looking for some advice as to where I should mount the vipers, the other fans will be taken out. I've got a fan controller so I've done some testing which showed having all the fans on was not as efficient as running one front fan and one top(the back fan didn't have much effect.) The top fans had a surprising impact on GPU temperatures, much more than I'd expect which made me realize I'm really quite clueless when it comes to this cooling thing. Basically my questions are: Where should I mount the two fans I've got for the best airflow? And which direction should I mount the new cooler when I get it?

Also, underclocking the CPU or GPU is fine with me. I pretty much stick to Paradox games these days so I don't require all the power I've got on tap. Temperature is already great as is, I'm just looking to mount the new fans intelligently as to get the best temps. They will be tweaked with the fan controller to run either at the slowest setting in which they will spin, or the highest setting I can get them before I start hearing them over the PSU/GPU. A passive CPU cooler may also be an option if the Venom doesn't come back in stock.

 

Easiest way for lowest amount of noise with least money spent?

Take out all the fans besides the one on your CPU and GPU.....and underclock the CPU if need be. Intel may have an automatical freq adjuster already.

 

Next tier of lowest amount of money to low noise ratio:

Get a passive CPU cooler. The 7770 is decently cool, but of course, passive GPU coolers aren't exactly 'there' yet, so that s a bad. OR, get a decent air cooler with a low noise fan

 

Next tier of lowest amount of money to low noise ratio:

Get noise reduction foam and plaster the inside of it.

 

Obviously, some of this stuff isn't too recommendable as you may then have an OC problem on your mobo. Try different strategies of different types of coolers, to different fans. Haiburi-nyan likes positive/negative air flow system thread on OCN

http://www.overclock.net/t/1041926/how-to-decide-on-a-case-for-air-cooling-warning-pics#post13870379

 

If done right, you can have quiet and low RPM fans(through mobo or fan controller), with decent cooling and low noise.

 

But really...you could just try not using any case fans and see how your temperatures are. Some mobo, HDD's just don't need 'air flow' in general past maybe one exhaust fan. The HD 7770 is very good with heat and is a closed design anyway. A large portion of the world's computers are pre-made and run in laptops and desktops with extremely poor air flow and with them heating up to high temps. The hardware is more or less made for those situations. 

 

Wonder why store-brand OEM PC's are extremely quiet? 

 

Obviously, not the best solution, but if you think about it as a company executive wanting the quietest computer for the least amount of money....yeah. You just unplug that schiit.

post #4087 of 9059
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I mean obviously, you don't need a reason to do anything, it just doesn't sound like something someone with your hardware config would do. Unless of course, you upgraded stuff since you last told me.

I just don't feel good without having a clean rig. That and the cables are slightly pushing against the side panel and my motherboard is being somewhat bent so I should really fix that.

 

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I'd like to know where you got that because it might be a good read, enough to optimize my air-cooled systems a little more.

 

My situation is a bit different, though: water-cooling, with a radiator. Do you still feel that the top as intake makes sense when all that air is going through a radiator that isn't fixed to the CPU socket, or did everything you just said go flying out the window?

Silverstone has a tech talk section talking about air cooling. Also, on overclock.net, the air cooling guru there has talked about a lot of this stuff (he does case reviews and has experimented a lot).

 

Didn't know that. My bad. :D The movement of higher energy particles upwards near the CPU has basically no effect anymore since it's not like you're using a heatsink on your CPU. IMO creating a wind tunnel with a radiator doesn't seem to have as much as an effect than with air cooling.

 

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MURICA!

Just fixed my iPhone 4s with a power drill.. Yes a power drill!  Stripped every damn screw trying to pull out the loudspeaker and antenna, drilled them out with a drill bit.

Tore the WiFi antenna a little, damaged the battery somewhat, but good as new :D

lol wut?

post #4088 of 9059
Thanks, going fanless most of the time is the plan as I have a fan controller already that allows me to just switch them off. I'll only be using the fans when I am playing a game or in the rare instance I'm doing something productive. I already have the Akasa fans in my possession so it's not like I'd be spending any money in using them, then again people seem to be buying them at $25 a piece on ebay which makes me hesitate. They match my Muskin Radioactive RAM though so that's a point in their favor. Very tempting to just sell them but I know from my experience with a passively cooled R6850 that my case can't support a full fanless system when gaming. If I can manage the airflow well enough I could probably put an Arcic Accelero S1 PLUS on the GPU which would really deal with the second worst noise offender in the case.

Considering the GPU and the fact my PSU isn't going to be quiet I don't see the reason in going for a passive cooler like the nofan for the processor. Akasa says their fans are <7db at the lowest speed which I feel would be low enough. I'd like to stay under $80 which counts the noise foam or a passive PSU out.

Looking at that video in the thread you linked it looks as if the ideal way to cool the CPU would be to have one fan in the top infront of the cooler and the other in the front? Or I could run them both as top intake fans and have the CPU cooler blowing downward for maximum airflow right over the CPU. If I did it that way I could probably just use a cheap tower cooler 'passively' and budget in the passive GPU cooler from Arctic(which would have some airflow from the top fans as it's larger than the card.) I kind of like that idea as I would be relying on natural convection when idle, and then active airflow whenever I want to put a load on it. I'm just a tad worried about dust, which builds up on the front grill of my case very quickly. Do you think I could get away with a passive cheap tower cooler having an exhaust fan on top and the other fan in the front(as to keep the intakes filtered?) I've also got the option of trying to find a decent 140mm coolers and putting one of the Akasas on there thought mounting one of those horizontally would probably be impossible. There are way too many ways I could do this, I should have stuck with a simpler case. Anything is better than the Zalman GS1000 I did my first build in I guess. I had a noctua in every single fan mount, still had poor cooling(the only intake was blocked by PSU wires!) and the side panels had a rattle in which outdid any benefit I had from the noctua fans.
post #4089 of 9059
Uhhhh, Newegg sells a Rosewill toaster. Anyone in?
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Uhhhh, Newegg sells a Rosewill toaster. Anyone in?
by toaster, do you mean a real real toaster? Or a computer that has schitty specs?
post #4091 of 9059
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by toaster, do you mean a real real toaster? Or a computer that has schitty specs?
I meant like an actual toaster oven. I mean, you could probably stuff some components in there, but I think they'd overheat.
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post #4093 of 9059
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DAMN. That thing gots 1.0GHz of total BROILING POWER!
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Anyone play League of Legends?

 

Sick and tired of people taking 5min-10min+  just to load the game.  I am thinking about making a virtual drive and allowing the game to load at 300Kbps like an old floppy.  Maybe I should put this on 4chan, seeing there are plenty people on /b/ that have nothing better to do than ruin an experience for everyone else :D  Riot would have to do something about loading limitations if hundreds of people were taking hours to load haha.

 

 

Rosewill toaster would be more suitable than the systems every 1/10 use.  BTW its not a very good toaster......

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Back at college

 

Had to do mega game instal and updates

 

 

This is why I love it :D

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