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post #3871 of 6266

So I tried to set up a Windows 8.1 installation on a separate drive, thinking this was gonna go smoothly...

 

...then I realized that I forgot to disconnect the Windows 7 drive first, so it mangled the bootloader on the Win7 drive, I can't boot into Win7, and Startup Repair isn't doing a god damn thing to fix it. Bloody winload.efi signature errors...

 

I really feel like punching everyone in the face over at Microsoft right now, thinking they know better about where to place their damn bootloaders than I do. This is precisely why I prefer to have each OS dedicated to its own physical drive and let the BIOS/UEFI be the boot manager.

 

No, the usual BCD muckery hasn't helped yet either.


Edited by NamelessPFG - 12/31/13 at 5:21pm
post #3872 of 6266
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

So I tried to set up a Windows 8.1 installation on a separate drive, thinking this was gonna go smoothly...

 

...then I realized that I forgot to disconnect the Windows 7 drive first, so it mangled the bootloader on the Win7 drive, I can't boot into Win7, and Startup Repair isn't doing a god damn thing to fix it. Bloody winload.efi signature errors...

 

I really feel like punching everyone in the face over at Microsoft right now, thinking they know better about where to place their damn bootloaders than I do. This is precisely why I prefer to have each OS dedicated to its own physical drive and let the BIOS/UEFI be the boot manager.

 

No, the usual BCD muckery hasn't helped yet either.

I had the same issue, only things went smoother lol..

post #3873 of 6266
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

So I tried to set up a Windows 8.1 installation on a separate drive, thinking this was gonna go smoothly...

 

...then I realized that I forgot to disconnect the Windows 7 drive first, so it mangled the bootloader on the Win7 drive, I can't boot into Win7, and Startup Repair isn't doing a god damn thing to fix it. Bloody winload.efi signature errors...

 

I really feel like punching everyone in the face over at Microsoft right now, thinking they know better about where to place their damn bootloaders than I do. This is precisely why I prefer to have each OS dedicated to its own physical drive and let the BIOS/UEFI be the boot manager.

 

No, the usual BCD muckery hasn't helped yet either.

Yeah, .......that stuff really sucks

 

I almost had something happen but thankfully not.

post #3874 of 6266

Fixed!...no thanks to Microsoft. As usual, Linux saves the day.

 

But I couldn't boot Linux on this system before...you know why? Secure Boot needed to be changed from "Windows UEFI" to "Other OS" in the UEFI menu, otherwise it won't get past the bootloader. At least, that's how Asus names it; not sure about Gigabyte, MSI or the rest, but expect this to be a complete pain in the ass when it comes to booting other OSes for repair work.

 

So I installed Win7 over the Win8.1 drive, formatting it first, booted Linux off a USB drive, used GParted to copy over the fresh bootloader install over to the borked one, booted the Win7 install DVD and had it run a Startup Repair to fix the BCD, and NOW it all works.

 

I'll probably set up Win8.1 again, but I'm making damn sure to disconnect the Win7 drive this time to prevent all that from happening again.

post #3875 of 6266

*sigh*

 

I wish I would switch to Linux but can't since there are some must-haves on Windows for me (*cough*foobar*cough*). Not sure if some programs will run well via WINE.

 

Might as well keep something like Ubuntu that's lower maintenance as a secondary to fix things when Windows can't do them right (which is actually not too often anymore).

 

I really hate Microsoft bugging people to use a Microsoft account though in Windows 8. Screw Metro UI applications.

post #3876 of 6266
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I just updated my battlestation back home! YESS!

 

Ok so I decided to use the big monitor as my 'main' monitor as I sit on the comfy couch, and then stick all the cables somewhere. Problem then was that there was a schiit ton of cables everywhere.

 

Panda time!

 

I got an old shoe box, cut some holes in it and threw everything in there.

 

 First picture, you can see the HDD, USB Hub, Mac charger and some various stuff

 

 My brother had a 'pedestal' for the Xbox 360 under the TV. I'm using it for my Mac now :D

 

 Inside the box. I'm dropping everything in there :D

 

 

The USB Hub, and Apple charger have been moved in. I'm stuffing all the extra cables into it.

 

And BOOM! Shoe Box battlestation beneath the TV. The extra cable leaving the box to the 'bottom' is my wired mouse.

 

Behind shot of the TV, Mac and my 'laptop' table that I put my keyboard and mouse on.

 

 I'm using my old Wireless Mechanical keyboard (White ALPS) on an old laptop desk.

 

Looks nice :D

 

 

HDD (2TB) with over 50 full anime on it? CHECK

USB HUB with the Wireless keyboard receiver and wired mouse plugged in? CHECK

Various holes for the APPLE charger cut out and plugged in? CHECK

Stuffing every other cable in? Check

 

Going to get a haircut now. But when I get back.

 

ANIME TIME!

post #3877 of 6266
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Originally Posted by HybridCore View Post
 

*sigh*

 

I wish I would switch to Linux but can't since there are some must-haves on Windows for me (*cough*foobar*cough*). Not sure if some programs will run well via WINE.

 

Might as well keep something like Ubuntu that's lower maintenance as a secondary to fix things when Windows can't do them right (which is actually not too often anymore).

 

I really hate Microsoft bugging people to use a Microsoft account though in Windows 8. Screw Metro UI applications.

I remember Ubuntu 8.04 running software on WINE better than XP SP3 lol.  In all fairness, Linux would be a better platform with better vendor support.
Having a Microsoft account is nice to sync between devices.  Especially wallpapers, nice to have them changed on my desktop and laptop lol

post #3878 of 6266
Our VP of Finance needed a new laptop. Our executives are picky and spoiled, and she wanted an ultrabook - but of course she also wanted an I7, a big SSD, a high res screen, long battery life, etc, etc. Oh - and it also needs to run all of our crappy corporate applications that aren't compatible with Win8 and current browsers.

We decided to try the TOTL config of the new Samsung Ativ 9 ultrabooks. This is very, very nice HW. Of course, it came out of the box with Win8.1. We needed to downgrade it to Win7. And that's where we hit a big problem...

The Samsung website has ONLY Win8 drivers for this laptop. The drivers built-in to Win7 wouldn't work - After we installed Win7, the WiFi didn't work, the trackpad didn't work, and since we didn't have the Samsung drivers, none of the Alt-key functions worked for switching screens, etc.

So, we then spent two days scouring the internet for drivers that would work. We tried combinations of drivers from the component mfrs (ie Intel WLAN drivers) and drivers from previous model Samsungs. We thought we had it pretty well sorted - everything seemed to work and we weren't getting warnings and errors on boot.

Then we tried to plug in the Targus USB dock that we bought for her because she hates plugging/unplugging cables for the external monitor, trackball, external hard drive, webcam, speakers, etc, etc that she has at her desk. On boot, the Targus driver is now throwing an error and complaining about a conflict with something. It still seems to work after dismissing the error - and we were out of time, so we had to give it to her with the error still happening and just look like idiots.

It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft and the laptop mfrs have simply decided to say F-U to the corporate customers. I don't understand this. Do they really expect a business to launch a multi-million project to change their critical business applications just so they can run a new browser or the latest OS?? You can't just push the "upgrade" button on SAP & Oracle EBS!!
post #3879 of 6266
Thread Starter 

I had a similar problem with my computer. In terms of the manufacturer(of my motherboard and various other HW) having VERY spotty support for Windows 7/8/8.1

 

A few of the Windows Update drivers and downloaded ones crashed Win 8.1 constantly until I switched back to Win 8. No problems there.

 

I guess its a disconnect of everything that really causes these problems. Legacy software corps use, people that want everything. Manufactuers not giving out the right driver support and say F it, and Microsoft just shutting their ears and saying lalalalalala each time they go up a OS number and hope/know that come 6months, the manu's will sort it out themselves and support their OS anyway. 

post #3880 of 6266

Just got in a bf4 server with this guy:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/user/headfi/

 

I ask what his username is and he won't tell me "I don't want you salivating over my rigs" lol

post #3881 of 6266
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

Just got in a bf4 server with this guy:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/user/headfi/

 

I ask what his username is and he won't tell me "I don't want you salivating over my rigs" lol

OH LOL!

 

Probably demo Woo HD 800's :D

post #3882 of 6266
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post
 

OH LOL!

 

Probably demo Woo HD 800's :D

Nah he owns LCD 3s, HD800s, and HD650s.... I played with him for a few hours pretty fun conversations in all chat and apparently he got banned from headroom too :eek:

post #3883 of 6266
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

Nah he owns LCD 3s, HD800s, and HD650s.... I played with him for a few hours pretty fun conversations in all chat and apparently he got banned from headroom too :eek:

How do you get banned from a website that sells headphones?

post #3884 of 6266
:pQuote:
Originally Posted by billybob_jcv View Post

Our VP of Finance needed a new laptop. Our executives are picky and spoiled, and she wanted an ultrabook - but of course she also wanted an I7, a big SSD, a high res screen, long battery life, etc, etc. Oh - and it also needs to run all of our crappy corporate applications that aren't compatible with Win8 and current browsers.

We decided to try the TOTL config of the new Samsung Ativ 9 ultrabooks. This is very, very nice HW. Of course, it came out of the box with Win8.1. We needed to downgrade it to Win7. And that's where we hit a big problem...

The Samsung website has ONLY Win8 drivers for this laptop. The drivers built-in to Win7 wouldn't work - After we installed Win7, the WiFi didn't work, the trackpad didn't work, and since we didn't have the Samsung drivers, none of the Alt-key functions worked for switching screens, etc.

So, we then spent two days scouring the internet for drivers that would work. We tried combinations of drivers from the component mfrs (ie Intel WLAN drivers) and drivers from previous model Samsungs. We thought we had it pretty well sorted - everything seemed to work and we weren't getting warnings and errors on boot.

Then we tried to plug in the Targus USB dock that we bought for her because she hates plugging/unplugging cables for the external monitor, trackball, external hard drive, webcam, speakers, etc, etc that she has at her desk. On boot, the Targus driver is now throwing an error and complaining about a conflict with something. It still seems to work after dismissing the error - and we were out of time, so we had to give it to her with the error still happening and just look like idiots.

It seems pretty clear to me that Microsoft and the laptop mfrs have simply decided to say F-U to the corporate customers. I don't understand this. Do they really expect a business to launch a multi-million project to change their critical business applications just so they can run a new browser or the latest OS?? You can't just push the "upgrade" button on SAP & Oracle EBS!!



I guess in hindsight y'all should have gotten a Windows 7 certified machine :D

Pretty good reference to avoid this kind of bs: https://sysdev.microsoft.com/en-us/hardware/lpl/

 

I guess Microsoft assumes that corporate customers will purchase corporate solutions :p

Not sure what is going on with this woman lol......  Waste of money

 

Had a guy at work that needed a laptop.  Our company insisted on buying a $5000 Toughbook, instead he bought a low end machine at Wal-Mart out of pocket.  Respect

post #3885 of 6266
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post



I guess in hindsight y'all should have gotten a Windows 7 certified machine biggrin.gif
Pretty good reference to avoid this kind of bs: https://sysdev.microsoft.com/en-us/hardware/lpl/

I guess Microsoft assumes that corporate customers will purchase corporate solutions tongue.gif
Not sure what is going on with this woman lol......  Waste of money

Had a guy at work that needed a laptop.  Our company insisted on buying a $5000 Toughbook, instead he bought a low end machine at Wal-Mart out of pocket.  Respect

The laptop mfrs are now changing their models 2 or more times a year. Just because it's on Microsoft's list doesn't mean you can actually *buy* that model. We have a very nice Dell E6330 as our "standard" manager laptop. But the executives all want summit-pc ultrabooks. It's all I can do to keep our CEO from buying a Macbook... rolleyes.gif

Our executives need their own private IT department... tongue.gif
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