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Not modern!

 

Best seller where I work though ;)

Some people will buy anything that includes a wireless keyboard and mouse haha

 

On my Cambridge exam, one of the questions asked was going on about the most suitable form of backup storage for a corporate server.  Corporate servers usually have high volume transfers, and generally backup frequently.  So naturally, your typical red label NAS storage clusters in some raid configuration was my answer.

 

The right answer was tape storage...  TAPE STORAGE. Tape Storage is supposedly more "durable", OK!  This is Cambridge here too...

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lol. never had any issues either. 

Definitely agree, really easy to setup a PC!

 

I think PC companies like Lenovo can be really competitive, how's $300 for an i7/12GB DDR3 desktop haha

 

LTO-6 has a maximum data transfer of 160 MB/s (even LTO-3, released in 2005 has 80 MB/s); you're probably going to be limited by network speeds before the drive's speed causes much concern--and that's with dual bonded GBe.  At 2,5 TB of storage and a 15-30 year archival life; a corporation is well served by using a tape library over red label NAS for backup.

post #2897 of 6772
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LTO-6 has a maximum data transfer of 160 MB/s (even LTO-3, released in 2005 has 80 MB/s); you're probably going to be limited by network speeds before the drive's speed causes much concern--and that's with dual bonded GBe.  At 2,5 TB of storage and a 15-30 year archival life; a corporation is well served by using a tape library over red label NAS for backup.

 

No, not LTO-6.  Our syllabus included standards like DDS 160/320 lol.  I forget the exact case study, but it did not make sense to have this kind of storage.

 
I didn't even know there was an LTO-6, last time I checked LTO-4 was out... 
 
EDIT: Double checked, 80GB is the maximum capacity of tape storage in my text book lol.  And FWIW, I'd rather have a Nokia N8 than a PDA, GPS, and a Pager LOL

Edited by Yazen - 9/21/13 at 12:30am
post #2898 of 6772
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post

How long was the heavy block on the GPU for? I doubt it would make a difference unless you left it there to warp for several days.  So is it just the GPU dropping video randomly or does it not even boot?

 
More importantly why water cool an old 480? lol

 

It's been on for quite some time, and mostly works fine...except when my monitor suddenly loses signal and I reboot to hear the usual "no video card installed" beeps, then I get to finagle with the card some more and try to reseat it so it works again.

 

And if you have to ask why I'd want to water-cool an old GTX 480, it's clear that you've never owned one. 95-degree Celsius load temperatures on STOCK clocks and voltages, combined with a fan worthy of the GeForce FX 5800 "Dustbuster" at high speeds, are not acceptable. The reference HSF sucks, plain and simple.

 

Besides, the DD-GTX480 was just $40, and I already have a custom loop for my CPU. Q6600s run pretty toasty when overclocked.

post #2899 of 6772
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It's been on for quite some time, and mostly works fine...except when my monitor suddenly loses signal and I reboot to hear the usual "no video card installed" beeps, then I get to finagle with the card some more and try to reseat it so it works again.

 

And if you have to ask why I'd want to water-cool an old GTX 480, it's clear that you've never owned one. 95-degree Celsius load temperatures on STOCK clocks and voltages, combined with a fan worthy of the GeForce FX 5800 "Dustbuster" at high speeds, are not acceptable. The reference HSF sucks, plain and simple.

 

Besides, the DD-GTX480 was just $40, and I already have a custom loop for my CPU. Q6600s run pretty toasty when overclocked.

 

not a bad idea imo, get used to Over CLocking and water cooling an old kinda bad pc, when you upgrade to something better you've already got experince!  and you might be able to re use ur water blocks if the company you got them from has different mounts 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
not a bad idea imo, get used to Over CLocking and water cooling an old kinda bad pc, when you upgrade to something better you've already got experince!  and you might be able to re use ur water blocks if the company you got them from has different mounts 

 

CPU-wise, I specifically picked out the XSPC Raystorm block not just because it's a very good performer, but because it has LGA775 compatibility along with LGA1156/1155/1150, allowing me to make use of the loop on my current system while really being intended for my next one.

 

And given what I've heard about Haswell's temps, I'm going to need the extra cooling capacity...

 

By the way, one thing I can't quite figure out is when I push my Q6600 to 3.6 GHz (9x400) with the needed Vcore for stability, in addition to running MUCH hotter to the point where liquid cooling is the only way to keep it from overheating, it winds up running SLOWER than if I just run at 3.0 GHz (9x333)...in addition, I start hearing buzzing noises and crap whenever I put the computer to sleep and wake it up again. It would help if I just had another LGA775 board to try and figure out why, but the good ones are still stupid expensive for being obsolete LGA775 boards.

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

By the way, one thing I can't quite figure out is when I push my Q6600 to 3.6 GHz (9x400) with the needed Vcore for stability, in addition to running MUCH hotter to the point where liquid cooling is the only way to keep it from overheating, it winds up running SLOWER than if I just run at 3.0 GHz (9x333)...in addition, I start hearing buzzing noises and crap whenever I put the computer to sleep and wake it up again. It would help if I just had another LGA775 board to try and figure out why, but the good ones are still stupid expensive for being obsolete LGA775 boards.

 

Could just be the CPU, how does 3.3 or 3.4 run?

 

If I had to guess, the mobo probably cant handle 400fsb, have you tried bumping the voltages for the mobo related stuff?

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Could just be the CPU, how does 3.3 or 3.4 run?

 

If I had to guess, the mobo probably cant handle 400fsb, have you tried bumping the voltages for the mobo related stuff?

 

Haven't experimented much at those intermediate speeds yet, being reasonably content with 3.0 GHz.

 

I tried bumping the chipset voltages a bit, but that didn't seem to help...for that matter, I tried 6x400 to make sure it's the mobo/FSB at fault (P35 wasn't exactly designed to handle 400 MHz FSB officially, after all), and that seemed to work fine with no extra voltage.

 

I don't get this system sometimes...

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Is the AM3+ socket dead?  A year ago I bought a new mobo for a new CPU (fx6300) and now when I want to upgrade that I'll once again need a new motherboard? Will the next series of AMD cpus be on the fm2 or what ever socket? God I feel ripped off.

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Is the AM3+ socket dead?  A year ago I bought a new mobo for a new CPU (fx6300) and now when I want to upgrade that I'll once again need a new motherboard? Will the next series of AMD cpus be on the fm2 or what ever socket? God I feel ripped off.

I believe the FM series is for AMD APU processors, not AMD CPU processors

I AMD will be coming out with AM4 chipset in the future.

post #2905 of 6772
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post
 

Is the AM3+ socket dead?  A year ago I bought a new mobo for a new CPU (fx6300) and now when I want to upgrade that I'll once again need a new motherboard? Will the next series of AMD cpus be on the fm2 or what ever socket? God I feel ripped off.

 

Well then, I wonder how you feel about Intel lol.

If I went FM2 I would have had a better mobo than the 1150 I have now, not to mention the $40 vs $120 at Microcenter :D

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

 

CPU-wise, I specifically picked out the XSPC Raystorm block not just because it's a very good performer, but because it has LGA775 compatibility along with LGA1156/1155/1150, allowing me to make use of the loop on my current system while really being intended for my next one.

 

And given what I've heard about Haswell's temps, I'm going to need the extra cooling capacity...

 

By the way, one thing I can't quite figure out is when I push my Q6600 to 3.6 GHz (9x400) with the needed Vcore for stability, in addition to running MUCH hotter to the point where liquid cooling is the only way to keep it from overheating, it winds up running SLOWER than if I just run at 3.0 GHz (9x333)...in addition, I start hearing buzzing noises and crap whenever I put the computer to sleep and wake it up again. It would help if I just had another LGA775 board to try and figure out why, but the good ones are still stupid expensive for being obsolete LGA775 boards.

 

I'd be willing to bet the processor is throttling itself.  You can download ThrottleStop and watch the system.  If you're comfortable with higher temperatures than override the defaults.

 
You may want to also look at the dividers (assuming your motherboard has them) for the PCI bus and the RAM.  
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Well, forget CPU overclocking refinement for the time being: that GTX 480 is dead, and no amount of finagling on my end is getting the damn thing to work reliably again.

 

Just as my parents need to borrow another $200 from me to pay the bills, too...great, just bloody great. 2013 has been full of unforeseen expenses due to VERY expensive things we need failing at the WORST times.

 

In the meantime, I'm stuck with no computer powerful enough for modern gaming. I can get my primary desktop back up and running again, but it'll involve draining the water-cooling loop again, replacing a section of tubing I have no way to bridge at the moment (had to cut it to add the GPU waterblock in), and downgrading back to the 8800 GT...I'd give those GTX 280s another shot, except this bit of the backplate doesn't clear the latches on the edge of the RAM slots.

 

I was hoping to push back the new computer build to next year, but at this rate, I don't know anymore...

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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post
 

Well, forget CPU overclocking refinement for the time being: that GTX 480 is dead, and no amount of finagling on my end is getting the damn thing to work reliably again.

Just get a 6850 or something for the time being and then upgrade to something current when money isn't an issue again.  Even if I was learning water cooling for the first time I wouldn't waste money on a block for such an outdated gpu.

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Well then, I wonder how you feel about Intel lol.

If I went FM2 I would have had a better mobo than the 1150 I have now, not to mention the $40 vs $120 at Microcenter :D

I've always been an  AMD fanboy, so you guys are saying that the next cpu line up will use a new socket and my 990x ud3 won't be able to use it? That's just stupid, almost as bad as apple.  They release am3+ for ONE line of CPUs and that's it??? wtf


Edited by linglingjr - 9/22/13 at 1:20pm
post #2909 of 6772
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post

Just get a 6850 or something for the time being and then upgrade to something current when money isn't an issue again.  Even if I was learning water cooling for the first time I wouldn't waste money on a block for such an outdated gpu.
I've always been an  AMD fanboy, so you guys are saying that the next cpu line up will use a new socket and my 990x ud3 won't be able to use it? That's just stupid, almost as bad as apple.  They release am3+ for ONE line of CPUs and that's it??? wtf

There has been no releases fom AMD, that I have seen, mentioning any FX parts for either Stemroller or Excavator. Kaveri/Kabini (the APU) and Warsaw/Berlin (the Opteron) have been talked about for Steamroller. Digitimes claims that the Kabini will go to FS1B socket (not Kaveri will take a new FM2+ socket) and have a successor named Beema. It is unclear what architectural changes Beema brings to the CPU as Carrizo based APUs are slotted for Excavator's 2015 release schedule; but expect to see an HSA arrangement a la PS4 and XboxOne from the CPU/GPU arrangement.

The Opeterons are a bit more interesting for the fact that Warsaw will be a 2P/4P part similar to what they have now and the Berlin model (1P only) will be an HSA model.

AMD is making a huge push on their APU design. Claims that FM2 makes up ~70% of all motherboard sales makes it easy to see why. The Kaveri/Kabini are destined to be launched first with the Berlin to follow. The Warsaw is supposed to launch the following quarter. The latest I have read suggests a Q1 2014 for Kaveri, Q2 for Berlin and Q3 for Warsaw. Thus, if there is going to be future non-APU desktop chips it appears that perhaps Q3 2014 at the earliest is when they are arriving.

I know that is a wall of text, so I'll try and break it down below.

Q1 2014 Kaveri (socket FM2+; 6-12 SP)
Q1 2014? Kabini (socket FS1B; first HSA)
Q2 2014 Berlin (socket ?..single processor; 512SP)
Q3 2014 Warsaw (socket C32/G34? 0SP)<--best bet for a 990FX motherboard

And technically there was TWO lines of CPUs for AM3+; Bulldozer and Piledriver.
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Stupid work computer with Internet Explorer doesn't show an edit button, but I forgot to add on that below is a list of Intel sockets with number of CPU lines available for them.

LGA1150 (2013->?) Haswell and successor.
LGA2011 (2012->2014?) Sandy Bridge-E and Ivory Bridge-E
LGA1155 (2011->2014?) Sandy Bridge and Ivory Bridge
LGA1366 (2008->2010) Nehlem only (!)
LGA1156 (2009->2011) Lynnfield/Clarkdale only (!)
LGA775 (2004->2009) Prescott/Cedarmill/Smithfield/Presler and Kentsfield/Yorkfield....but with the chipset changing nearly yearly (i910GL/i915G/GL/GV/P/PL/i925X/XE/i945/955/i945G/P/ i955X/i946/946GZ/PL/965/i975/Q965/P965/G965/Q963/i975X/ X35/P35/G35/P33/G33/Q33/P31/G31/X38/X48/P45/P43/G45/G43/G41...thanks wikipedia) good luck having more than a single CPU line on any singe motherboard from that time frame.
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