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post #2026 of 9059

I'm going to start slowly piecing my first loop together in a short while.

 

Since I'll need to cool a fairly toasty 5.0ghz 2700k and two GTX 670's at the same time, I figure there's no way to do it without two radiators. What radiators those will be, I'm not sure of yet. Most likely dual 240mm or a 360mm and a 240mm.

 

Also going to buy a new case as my current Corsair 600T will be too challenging to fit everything in to.

 

Looking at the new Fractal Arc XL as it's fairly roomy, aesthetically simple and reasonably priced:

 

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Plenty of room at top/front/bottom for a variety of radiators. And only about $150 bucks. Killer case for the money...

 

Only other definite is that I'll be using universal water blocks for the 670's so I can re use them through yearly video card upgrades ...

 

Have to confess a bit of apprehension, though as my current rig, though a bit encumbered by two/three CLC's ... runs so pefectly. After 1.5 years of perfect daily operation, from the mechanical end of things to the software ... I hate to have to tear the thing down. 

 

But the mod bug wins in the end.

 

;-) 

post #2027 of 9059
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As for those hopes of getting that Q6600 to run at 3.6 GHz? Well, it just might be possible...but it'll be quite toasty doing so. Had to go in and set the CPU voltage to around 1.45V, while HWMonitor suggests it's closer to 1.41V in operation. This is with load line calibration on, so that must be a significant amount of voltage droop. I don't know how people claimed to get their Q6600s to that speed on air, because if you care in the slightest about stability (which means lots and lots of extra voltage), it isn't happening without a good custom loop at minimum...or I really got the short end of the stick with this particular CPU, much as Haswell buyers are right now if the reports are to be believed.

People used to put 1.6V through the Q6600. I know I remember doing so a few times.

post #2028 of 9059
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People used to put 1.6V through the Q6600. I know I remember doing so a few times.

I ran my Q6700 at 1.5V for about 2 years with a clock speed of 3.8ghz. No problems. And that was with a air cooler.

My current 2700K needs 1.47 volts to run stable at 5.0ghz. Once I get a decent custom loop installed I'm going to try and run it at 5.2 or 5.3 with 1.5 plus vOlts. Sandy Bridge chips are so cheap that I figure why not push it until it breaks. A new chip will only cost about $275 or so. If that.
post #2029 of 9059

Have any of you guys tried using car heater cores as radiators? With a few google searches you can have a radiator with enough room for 4x120mm fans (two on each side if you wanted to) for $20 with a few mods they work just as good (if not better) than the overpriced radiators made for water cooling... I might cnc some water blocks and try to do a DIY water cooling system some time next year.

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I'm going to start slowly piecing my first loop together in a short while.

 

Since I'll need to cool a fairly toasty 5.0ghz 2700k and two GTX 670's at the same time, I figure there's no way to do it without two radiators. What radiators those will be, I'm not sure of yet. Most likely dual 240mm or a 360mm and a 240mm.

 

Also going to buy a new case as my current Corsair 600T will be too challenging to fit everything in to.

 

Looking at the new Fractal Arc XL as it's fairly roomy, aesthetically simple and reasonably priced:

 

*images truncated*

 

Plenty of room at top/front/bottom for a variety of radiators. And only about $150 bucks. Killer case for the money...

 

That case is just $150? It has "want" written all over it! I could easily see my next build in one of those.

 

I mean, I do like my current case, but for me to make the most out of it, I'd have to mod it pretty extensively.

 

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People used to put 1.6V through the Q6600. I know I remember doing so a few times.

 

I thought Intel's maximum voltage spec for a Q6600 was 1.55V...unless that's not factoring in Vdroop, I'd think that would kick the electromigration problem into overdrive and kill the CPU quick, much like what happened to Pentium 4 Northwoods which had far too much voltage pumped into them.

 

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I ran my Q6700 at 1.5V for about 2 years with a clock speed of 3.8ghz. No problems. And that was with a air cooler.

 

How did you manage that kind of heat load on an air cooler? Were you pulling that off in a very cold room, while accepting temps of 70-80 degrees Celsius?

 

I don't think I can pump any more voltage into this Q6600 (beyond the BIOS' 1.45V mark, 1.41-1.42V after Vdroop) without it exceeding even my new water-cooling loop's capabilities. (Gonna need more radiators...and fans with high static pressure...)

 

Even with that aside, though, its performance at 3.6 GHz seems...rather underwhelming, coming from 3.0-3.2 GHz. Still nowhere near a stock i5-2500K that I put into a friend's build a couple of years ago; that thing could run PCSX2 full-speed without a hitch or slowdown in sight, no overclocking necessary!

 

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Have any of you guys tried using car heater cores as radiators? With a few google searches you can have a radiator with enough room for 4x120mm fans (two on each side if you wanted to) for $20 with a few mods they work just as good (if not better) than the overpriced radiators made for water cooling... I might cnc some water blocks and try to do a DIY water cooling system some time next year.

 

I've considered it, but the car radiator would most likely have to be external. Then there's the matter of fittings...

 

If you have actually have access to a CNC mill, consider me envious. I could use one of those for some case mods, custom flight stick gimbals, etc.

post #2031 of 9059
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That case is just $150? It has "want" written all over it! I could easily see my next build in one of those.

 

I mean, I do like my current case, but for me to make the most out of it, I'd have to mod it pretty extensively.

My RV02 really isn't setup for water cooling. The Arc does look very nice. The Corsair 900D is calling me though...

 

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I thought Intel's maximum voltage spec for a Q6600 was 1.55V...unless that's not factoring in Vdroop, I'd think that would kick the electromigration problem into overdrive and kill the CPU quick, much like what happened to Pentium 4 Northwoods which had far too much voltage pumped into them.

 

How did you manage that kind of heat load on an air cooler? Were you pulling that off in a very cold room, while accepting temps of 70-80 degrees Celsius?

 

I don't think I can pump any more voltage into this Q6600 (beyond the BIOS' 1.45V mark, 1.41-1.42V after Vdroop) without it exceeding even my new water-cooling loop's capabilities. (Gonna need more radiators...and fans with high static pressure...)

Max spec? Since when did that matter. tongue.gif The TJ max on the old Kentfield was 100C, so 80C was more than acceptable.

 

If you want more cooling from your radiator I have a few 5400RPM 38mm thick deltas. It's rated for 253CFM, 352Pa static pressure and sounds like two vacuum cleaners at 65dB. I never used them outside of hilarious air overclocks, like 1.7V through a 2600K(It died eventually).biggrin.gif

post #2032 of 9059
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How did you manage that kind of heat load on an air cooler? Were you pulling that off in a very cold room, while accepting temps of 70-80 degrees Celsius?

 

I don't think I can pump any more voltage into this Q6600 (beyond the BIOS' 1.45V mark, 1.41-1.42V after Vdroop) without it exceeding even my new water-cooling loop's capabilities. (Gonna need more radiators...and fans with high static pressure...)

 

 

3.8ghz on a Q6700 wasn't too uncommon of a thing, really. Neither was 1.5v scenarios. The TRUE cooler I used at the time was pretty much the top dog air cooler back then ... just ran a couple fans in push/pull and did a high pressure bolt through mod on the cooler, lapped it and the CPU and I was good to go. Don't remember what my load temps were but they were'n't anything real dangerous. High, sure ... but not bleeding edge (regarding the CPU's stated max).

 

I tend to run max over clock on any given chip, all the time. Haven't had a chip fail on me yet ... going from an E6400 to a Q6600 to a Q6700 and finally to my current 2700K. 

post #2033 of 9059
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That case is just $150? It has "want" written all over it! I could easily see my next build in one of those.

 

I mean, I do like my current case, but for me to make the most out of it, I'd have to mod it pretty extensively.

 

 

I think the actual price is like 139.99 or something. Check the Fractal website.

 

Also, just found this pic ...

 

This is *EXACTLY* the same loop I'll be building for my own rig, except I'll be using bridged universal blocks for my SLI 670's as opposed to full coverage, proprietary blocks (cause I buy new cards every year or two and don't care to buy new blocks each time). Also, the thick 240mm radiator they have mounted in front will be mounted in the bottom in my case since it will be exhausting out of the case (top rad will be intake).

 

This is also, using that above mentioned Fractal Arc XL case. Everything will be nearly identical in my loop, hard drive cage placement, bay reservoir, 360 and 240 rads, etc. I'm going to use black hose, though ... with chrome fittings ... or ... grey hose with black fittings ... not sure yet. :-) :

 

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Edited by s1rrah - 6/15/13 at 8:22am
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Joke's on you. I enjoyed it.

post #2036 of 9059
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Joke's on you. I enjoyed it.

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I admit that the song is good either way.

post #2037 of 9059
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Joke's on you. I enjoyed it.

So did you copy the top comment or is that you?

post #2038 of 9059
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My RV02 really isn't setup for water cooling. The Arc does look very nice. The Corsair 900D is calling me though...

 

Max spec? Since when did that matter. tongue.gif The TJ max on the old Kentfield was 100C, so 80C was more than acceptable.

 

If you want more cooling from your radiator I have a few 5400RPM 38mm thick deltas. It's rated for 253CFM, 352Pa static pressure and sounds like two vacuum cleaners at 65dB. I never used them outside of hilarious air overclocks, like 1.7V through a 2600K(It died eventually).biggrin.gif

 

The Corsair 900D is also nice, but I already can't afford the 800D...if I could, I'd probably have one of those Caselabs Magnum double-wide cases instead.

 

I thought the TjMax was more like 95 degrees, and at any rate, most Intel CPUs start throttling themselves at around 90 or 91 degrees. 80 degrees just seemed uncomfortably close.

 

Those Delta fans may be loud, but I'm still interested if you're indeed offering them to me. They'll be connected to my case's built-in fan controller anyway, so I can turn them down when I don't want it sounding like there's a banshee howling next to me...though as things currently stand, the fans are NOT the loudest component of my cooling system. Can't tell if it's the pump or just all that water sloshing around right now. (The MCP655-B isn't a D5 Vario, so I can't adjust the pump speed in any way without a dedicated pump controller.)

 

The extra thickness of those fans compared to most 120mm fans shouldn't be a problem, either.

 

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3.8ghz on a Q6700 wasn't too uncommon of a thing, really. Neither was 1.5v scenarios. The TRUE cooler I used at the time was pretty much the top dog air cooler back then ... just ran a couple fans in push/pull and did a high pressure bolt through mod on the cooler, lapped it and the CPU and I was good to go. Don't remember what my load temps were but they were'n't anything real dangerous. High, sure ... but not bleeding edge (regarding the CPU's stated max).

 

I tend to run max over clock on any given chip, all the time. Haven't had a chip fail on me yet ... going from an E6400 to a Q6600 to a Q6700 and finally to my current 2700K. 

 

Ah, the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme...I wanted one of those back in the day, but the price tag was somewhere around $70-80 (fans not included). Too much for me...and then I started seeing reviews on the then-new Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer, which allegedly provided very close performance for a fraction of the price (somewhere around $35-45, don't remember), so I went for that. (It wasn't until afterward that I noticed all the reviews saying that they WEREN'T close at all, and that the CCF was more in between the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, the popular budget HSF at the time, and the TRUE.)

 

You went through CPUs pretty quickly...as you can probably tell, I tend to buy fairly high-end stuff and make it last five years or more, then build a whole new system when I can't tolerate my current one's performance any longer. I want my next one to have as big of a jump as I did going from an old Athlon XP 1800+ to the Q6600...which an Ivy Bridge or Haswell chip may not quite provide, but it should still be significant for CPU-limited things like PCSX2, Dolphin and PlanetSide 2 regardless.

post #2039 of 9059
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So did you copy the top comment or is that you?

Why would I watch the video on youtube when it's linked here? Great minds must think alike.

post #2040 of 9059
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

Those Delta fans may be loud, but I'm still interested if you're indeed offering them to me. They'll be connected to my case's built-in fan controller anyway, so I can turn them down when I don't want it sounding like there's a banshee howling next to me...though as things currently stand, the fans are NOT the loudest component of my cooling system. Can't tell if it's the pump or just all that water sloshing around right now. (The MCP655-B isn't a D5 Vario, so I can't adjust the pump speed in any way without a dedicated pump controller.)

 

The extra thickness of those fans compared to most 120mm fans shouldn't be a problem, either.

Depending on location you would possible be better served buying them off ebay usa. The things ain't light to post from the UK. Model number PFC1212DE.

 

I also have a pair of 25mm 120mm fans, AFB1212 variant, iirc.


Edited by Tangster - 6/15/13 at 6:08pm
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