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post #1816 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

Why do people look into Xeon for performance solutions?  XD

Waste of money, for gaming at least lol.  I'd install gentoo and have myself a nice FFmpeg solution.......

Gaming? Pahh. I'd be using a setup like that for a workstation. Too many people equating high performance PCs with gaming.

post #1817 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Gaming? Pahh. I'd be using a setup like that for a workstation. Too many people equating high performance PCs with gaming.

Workstation?  Coloring ponies in photoshop doesn't need an expensive CPU.

 

Too many people equating high performance PCs with workstations I say!  An i7/7970 would be inferior to a lower performing Xeon/Firepro.  The extra instruction sets and tweaks make a world's difference for workstation use.

post #1818 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

Workstation?  Coloring ponies in photoshop doesn't need an expensive CPU.

 

Too many people equating high performance PCs with workstations I say!  An i7/7970 would be inferior to a lower performing Xeon/Firepro.  The extra instruction sets and tweaks make a world's difference for workstation use.

Nope. Xeon lack overclocks. An overclocked i7(or two) blows Xeons out of the water for task such as video and 3D rendering.

 

While it was pretty much accepted that a Quadro card would be in a workstation though (Nvidia gimped OGL performance on non professional cards two generations ago) thankfully you can (since 2010) use Nitrous in MAX to achieve the same performance with a Geforce card and I'm sure that other suite have their own alternatives. In fact in ProEngineer, Solid and LW the (comparatively) lowly 7970 blows most cards, gaming or pro out of the water.

 

Quite clearly the choice of GPU you choose depends on your applications, Tesla for CUDA, Quadro/FireGL for specialised and optimised applications, general purpose cards for everything else.

post #1819 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Nope. Xeon lack overclocks. An overclocked i7(or two) blows Xeons out of the water for task such as video and 3D rendering.

 

While it was pretty much accepted that a Quadro card would be in a workstation though (Nvidia gimped OGL performance on non professional cards two generations ago) thankfully you can (since 2010) use Nitrous in MAX to achieve the same performance with a Geforce card and I'm sure that other suite have their own alternatives. In fact in ProEngineer, Solid and LW the (comparatively) lowly 7970 blows most cards, gaming or pro out of the water.

 

Quite clearly the choice of GPU you choose depends on your applications, Tesla for CUDA, Quadro/FireGL for specialised and optimised applications, general purpose cards for everything else.

If you look above I clearly stated that the Xeon cannot overclock lol.

 

 

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My bad, i7 still the way to go biggrin.gif

 

I'd rather not pay for premium silicon, especially when you cannot take advantage of the higher overclocking headroom >.<

 

The Xeon is superior in stability and workload applications due to better silicon and enhanced instruction sets.

 

The Firepro V9000 (7970) is better for workstation use because of the hardware level support and stability.  I would be devastated if my project was rendering for a week and decided to crash / artifact.


Edited by Yazen - 5/17/13 at 8:58am
post #1820 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

If you look above I clearly stated that the Xeon cannot overclock lol.  

 

The Xeon is superior in stability and workload applications due to better silicon and enhanced instruction sets.

 

The Firepro V9000 (7970) is better for workstation use because of the hardware level support and stability.  I would be devastated if my project was rendering for a week and decided to crash / artifact.

Not every application requires(or uses) those instruction sets. Especially graphics applications.

 

What are you using a workstation as a final render for? That what your render farm is for! Duh!

 

Seriously, if anything takes more than 12 hours, it's time to send it to a dedicated render farm.

post #1821 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Not every application requires(or uses) those instruction sets. Especially graphics applications.

 

What are you using a workstation as a final render for? That what your render farm is for! Duh!

 

Seriously, if anything takes more than 12 hours, it's time to send it to a dedicated render farm.

Not all businesses can afford the farms of which you speak biggrin.gif

 

Most Xeon I see in businesses have similar desktop performance to P4, no ECC ram will fix this situation lol.

 

If I had a legitimate use for a high end i7 I'd purchase one, i7 for gaming is overkill.  An AMD 955 / 4GB RAM is doing my games justice lol

post #1822 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

Most Xeon I see in businesses have similar desktop performance to P4, no ECC ram will fix this situation lol.

 

If I had a legitimate use for a high end i7 I'd purchase one, i7 for gaming is overkill.  An AMD 955 / 4GB RAM is doing my games justice lol

Old Xeons...lol.

Epeen isn't a good enough reason? :P

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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

Not all businesses can afford the farms of which you speak biggrin.gif

That's what massive commercial farms are for. Buy a bunch of hours, render project.

post #1823 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Old Xeons...lol.

Epeen isn't a good enough reason? :P

That's what massive commercial farms are for. Buy a bunch of hours, render project.

When I see people with dual xeons gaming.... frown.gif

 

Maybe I am wrong for thinking this kind of setup is overkill, not to mention incompatible with virtually every Windows based game.  i7 is cheaper, and performs better..

 

Depending on the project yeah, commercial farms would definitely be the way to go.  Some confidential design plans / calculations have to wait the week, funny how there is no ups backup attached to the desktop.  Intermittent power failures rack another weeks worth of wait lol.

post #1824 of 6080
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I don't like to pre-judge things. But my experience with Desura has been piss poor. 

post #1825 of 6080
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Bought so many games this month, just barely working through them

 

I bought Sleeping Dogs for $7 a few weeks ago and just got to playing it today.

 

First thoughts:

Got the High Res Texture pack and man this game is easy to run.

Good engine. Easy to run, isn't graphically awesome but runs well and is slick

Good gameplay and what not

 

Anyway, I like it. I thought I wouldn't due to what Batman did to me but I like this.

 

I really didn't like Batman Arkham Asylum. So I thought I wouldn't like this. Well I was wrong. It was the fancy gizmo and flight and all those stuff in Batman along with the crime solving and super bad guys that made it hard for me. 

 

I like sleeping dogs though :)

 

Now I have other games I bought that I haven't gotten too.... geez. I have a decent amount of AAA tittles I bought recently and 80% of them are untouched. :/

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Any of you guys got Metro Last Light? I'm glad to say I can get 80fps maxed out : ) and It is very fun, I'm not playing ranger mode so it is pretty easy but I kinda enjoy having 9999999999 bullets at all times lol

post #1827 of 6080
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Bought so many games this month, just barely working through them

 

I bought Sleeping Dogs for $7 a few weeks ago and just got to playing it today.

 

First thoughts:

Got the High Res Texture pack and man this game is easy to run.

Good engine. Easy to run, isn't graphically awesome but runs well and is slick

Good gameplay and what not

 

Anyway, I like it. I thought I wouldn't due to what Batman did to me but I like this.

 

I really didn't like Batman Arkham Asylum. So I thought I wouldn't like this. Well I was wrong. It was the fancy gizmo and flight and all those stuff in Batman along with the crime solving and super bad guys that made it hard for me. 

 

I like sleeping dogs though :)

 

Now I have other games I bought that I haven't gotten too.... geez. I have a decent amount of AAA tittles I bought recently and 80% of them are untouched. :/

I rarely purchase physical copies for games, digital is usually the way I go.

Do you have them in physical media or digital?

Digital is so much cheaper, like $10 BF3, or $4 Deus Ex.  I do miss having the the physical media, would go nicely in my collection.

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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post

Any of you guys got Metro Last Light? I'm glad to say I can get 80fps maxed out : ) and It is very fun, I'm not playing ranger mode so it is pretty easy but I kinda enjoy having 9999999999 bullets at all times lol

Yeah, I haven't played it yet but I have the activation code from their facebook promotion.

So, any mode but hard you receive a virtually limitless amount of ammo?  biggrin.gif

post #1828 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

I rarely purchase physical copies for games, digital is usually the way I go.

Do you have them in physical media or digital?

Digital is so much cheaper, like $10 BF3, or $4 Deus Ex.  I do miss having the the physical media, would go nicely in my collection.

Yeah, I haven't played it yet but I have the activation code from their facebook promotion.

So, any mode but hard you receive a virtually limitless amount of ammo?  biggrin.gif

I don't either unless it comes with stuff I want

 

All my deals I got are digital of course.

 

I only have a few older games in physical.

 

Not always is it cheaper.For semi newer games, digital could be more expensive than the physical as they may lower the price of the physical by a set amount to get rid of stock.

post #1829 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

I'll take two i7 3930Ks and one of these:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Bit of waste of money (1000 USD to be honest).  The Core i7 39*0 series, while being the proper socket, lack the QPI (uses DMI instead) required for multi-chip operation.  So you'd have one working properly and a very expensive paperweight (and that's ignoring the RAM that would be bought with the second 3970.

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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Nope. Xeon lack overclocks. An overclocked i7(or two) blows Xeons out of the water for task such as video and 3D rendering.

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

While it was pretty much accepted that a Quadro card would be in a workstation though (Nvidia gimped OGL performance on non professional cards two generations ago) thankfully you can (since 2010) use Nitrous in MAX to achieve the same performance with a Geforce card and I'm sure that other suite have their own alternatives. In fact in ProEngineer, Solid and LW the (comparatively) lowly 7970 blows most cards, gaming or pro out of the water.

 

Quite clearly the choice of GPU you choose depends on your applications, Tesla for CUDA, Quadro/FireGL for specialised and optimised applications, general purpose cards for everything else.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post

If you look above I clearly stated that the Xeon cannot overclock lol.

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

The Xeon is superior in stability and workload applications due to better silicon and enhanced instruction sets.

 

The Firepro V9000 (7970) is better for workstation use because of the hardware level support and stability.  I would be devastated if my project was rendering for a week and decided to crash / artifact.

 

 

Actually Lynnfield, Gainsetown, Westermere and Beckton can all be overclocked; any of them that were designated "X..." and stuck in say an EVGA SR-2 (1366 board) usually had nice overclocks.  The current generation of Xeons unfortunately have locked multipliers.

post #1830 of 6080
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Originally Posted by linglingjr View Post

Any of you guys got Metro Last Light? I'm glad to say I can get 80fps maxed out : ) and It is very fun, I'm not playing ranger mode so it is pretty easy but I kinda enjoy having 9999999999 bullets at all times lol

Didn't like Metro. Not buying Last Light. I've got Neverwinter(the MMO, I've finished the old NWN and NWN2 before) preloaded on my PC for post-exams. Hopefully it's better than LOTRO.

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