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Originally Posted by deadlylover View Post

Probably because they're priced at a deal that's too good to be passed up.

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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Then why do you keep buying them?

Steam Sales.

 

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Originally Posted by JuanseAmador View Post

Games need to be hard again.

Witcher 1 was hard. Witcher 2 was marginally less hard. Starcraft 2 is somewhat difficult. Atom Zombie Smasher is crazy hard on it's top difficulty mode. The Chronicles of Riddick games are difficult on top difficulty.

post #1457 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

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Originally Posted by deadlylover View Post

Probably because they're priced at a deal that's too good to be passed up.
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Then why do you keep buying them?
Steam Sales.
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Originally Posted by JuanseAmador View Post

Games need to be hard again.
Witcher 1 was hard. Witcher 2 was marginally less hard. Starcraft 2 is somewhat difficult. Atom Zombie Smasher is crazy hard on it's top difficulty mode. The Chronicles of Riddick games are difficult on top difficulty.

My point is, the hard ones can be counted with your hand as you just did. Games are too easy nowadays.
post #1458 of 6080
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Originally Posted by JuanseAmador View Post

My point is, the hard ones can be counted with your hand as you just did. Games are too easy nowadays.

Difficulty isn't everything. I would argue that gameplay has improved as well so there is less arbitrary difficulty from the controls just being bad. You name some AAA games that are of incredibly easy, even on top settings(multiplayer games with SP training stories don't count).

post #1459 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

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Originally Posted by JuanseAmador View Post

My point is, the hard ones can be counted with your hand as you just did. Games are too easy nowadays.
Difficulty isn't everything. I would argue that gameplay has improved as well so there is less arbitrary difficulty from the controls just being bad. You name some AAA games that are of incredibly easy, even on top settings(multiplayer games with SP training stories don't count).

I mean for $60 I would like a challenging game. While many are, some are just... Disappointing
post #1460 of 6080

I've been way off in to overclocking for the past seven years or so. Computers, networking, hacking and in general for well over 28...

 

Funny true story? I held the world record for the Science Mark 2.0 benchmark suite in the E6400 CPU class for a full two days; a guy in Latvia beat me out. LOL. The record holders were changing every three or four days...it was so fun. I set my rig up in the driveway one night when we had 15F ambient temps in Houston one winter, stayed out there all night...running the bench, pushing the clock, running the bench, pushing the clock... half the time the system would crash mid bench run and I'd have to try again...but I did manage a win score, at least for two days. So fun...

 

Anyway, my current rig is a 2700K that I've been running at 5.0ghz for a full year now (almost exactly a year); it's been rock solid. Offset overclocking is the *****...so much better than the old E6400 as I don't have to run at a constant max volt/clock setting; I think this is going to prolong the life of both CPU's and the overclock itself (which, in the past was more prone to degradation, I think than now).

 

Here's some pr0n/pics from my system build:

 

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This is a shot from the initial build process; I spent a lot of time cutting on my 600T case to maximize air flow in certain spots:


 

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16gb Mushkin 1866mhz - (I've always used Mushkin ram, it's spendy but clocks like hell):


 

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I'm also a firm believer in lapping, generally net a few degrees celsius drop out of this process; below is my 2700K, which I lapped just after buying it. I opted not to go for the mirror shine as plenty tests show 600 grit is fine to finish with and I didn't want to spend the time:


 

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I've used a Corsair H100 since putting the rig together; it's okay but nowhere near as good as a custom loop or even something like the fairly new Swiftech H220, which is similar but much better than the Corsair kit. But I used some mods like pressure mounting the pump/water block, instead of using the stock Corsair mounts, which are weak...and also, the cutting of the case (as seen above) which allows much better air flow. I also use four fans for a PUSH > PULL set up; below is a pic of the bolt-through high pressure mod (early pic, the RAM in that shot is some very overclockable Samsung low profile/low voltage sticks I keep around for back up):


 

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I've got dual GTX 670 4GB cards currently but only one of them is water cooled via the method below, a hack/mod that allows one to use an Antec 620 water kit on your video card. That pic below is when I had it on my GTX 580, a bit back, but it's now mounted on one of my two 670's; the other 670 uses the stock air cooler. I don't have room in my case for a second modded Antec water cooler (at least not for a neat/clean install) or I would have the other one cooled via the same method, as the results with the Antec cooler are simply ridiculous. My water cooled/modded 670 loads at around 50C under *any* game and my stock cooled one loads around 75C, a freakish 25C delta there. If anybody is interested in that Antec vid card mod, see THIS THREAD over at Overclock.net. Also, see THIS THREAD for info on how to purchase one of those aluminum brackets which allow you to mount both the pump/water block as well as a 92mm fan to cool the VRAM :


 

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Here's the Samsung S27A850D 2560x1440 27" Monitor ( seriously, the thing has *changed* my soul!):


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Here's the current system as of about two months ago; I hate seeing only one of those 670's water cooled but as time has gone by, my agitation has lessened. Seriously, if anyone games at 2560x1440, SLI is the way to go. A single GTX 580 worked decently but got choppy here and there; it was playable though. A single GTX 670 4GB was way better though, but still some stutters in a heavily texture modded Skyrim install and other games like Metro 2033 and Syndicate (the latter being a horribly laggy console port) were even worse. But once I got that second 670 in SLI ... oh man, 2560x1440 REALLY got good ... night and day difference versus a single card :


 

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And here's an external shot of the rig all cased up :


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Finally, here's some overclock stats/temps; this was my first 2700K, which, in retrospect was a seriously "golden" chip, needing ridiculously low volts to maintain a stable 5.0ghz overclock, 1.392v ... which, like I said is just stupid low voltage for that clock. But I took it back cause I thought it was bad (but the problem ended up being RAM related). My current 2700K needs 1.46v for the same overclock. I kicked myself in the teeth for six months over that one... ;-)   :


 

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Anyway ... like I started with, great thread idea. I'm more into computers than I am audio (at least my money defers to computer gear before audio) but audio runs a close second. With audio, I've found I can settle on a desktop rig I like and really never have to change it (I've had my current audio set up for about four years and don't forsee changing...a MHDT Stockholm DAC and a Ray Sam Raptor with Grado GS1000's and Shure SRH840's...all fed via USB/Asio). Computers on the other hand require me to upgrade/build a new system NO MATTER WHAT, every two years. LOL ... both pursuits are incredibly rewarding, though...

 

Oh yeah ... I mostly use my computer rig for video editing/rendering...that's it's utility purpose any way and the most important...also lots of audio/song writing/recording. Gaming is secondary and really only garners about 5 hours a week of my time.

 

Anyway ... rock on.

 

.joel


Edited by s1rrah - 3/29/13 at 4:51pm
post #1461 of 6080
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post

I've been way off in to overclocking for the past seven years or so. Computers, networking, hacking and in general for well over 28...

 

Funny true story? I held the world record for the Science Mark 2.0 benchmark suite in the E6400 CPU class for a full two days; a guy in Latvia beat me out. LOL. The record holders were changing every three or four days...it was so fun. I set my rig up in the driveway one night when we had 15F ambient temps in Houston one winter, stayed out there all night...running the bench, pushing the clock, running the bench, pushing the clock... half the time the system would crash mid bench run and I'd have to try again...but I did manage a win score, at least for two days. So fun...

 

Anyway, my current rig is a 2700K that I've been running at 5.0ghz for a full year now (almost exactly a year); it's been rock solid. Offset overclocking is the *****...so much better than the old E6400 as I don't have to run at a constant max volt/clock setting; I think this is going to prolong the life of both CPU's and the overclock itself (which, in the past was more prone to degradation, I think than now).

 

Here's some pr0n/pics from my system build:

 

...

 

 

 

 

 

This is a shot from the initial build process; I spent a lot of time cutting on my 600T case to maximize air flow in certain spots:


 

 

 

...

 

 

 

 

16gb Mushkin 1866mhz - (I've always used Mushkin ram, it's spendy but clocks like hell):


 

 

 

 

I'm also a firm believer in lapping, generally net a few degrees celsius:


 

 

 

 

I've used a Corsair H100 since putting the rig together; it's okay but nowhere near as good as a custom loop or even something like the fairly new Swiftech H220, which is similar but much better than the Corsair kit. But I used some mods like pressure mounting the pump/water block, instead of using the stock Corsair mounts, which are weak...and also, the cutting of the case (as seen above) which allows much better air flow. I also use four fans for a PUSH > PULL set up; below is a pic of the bolt-through high pressure mod (early pic, the RAM in that shot is some very overclockable Samsung low profile/low voltage sticks I keep around for back up):


 

 

 

 

I've got dual GTX 670 4GB cards currently but only one of them is water cooled via the method below, a hack/mod that allows one to use an Antec 620 water kit on your video card. That pic below is when I had it on my GTX 580, a bit back, but it's now mounted on one of my two 670's; the other 670 uses the stock air cooler. I don't have room in my case for a second modded Antec water cooler (at least not for a neat/clean install) or I would have the other one cooled via the same method, as the results with the Antec cooler are simply ridiculous. My water cooled/modded 670 loads at around 50C under *any* game and my stock cooled one loads around 75C, a freakish 25C delta there. If anybody is interested in that Antec vid card mod, see THIS THREAD over at Overclock.net. Also, see THIS THREAD for info on how to purchase one of those aluminum brackets which allow you to mount both the pump/water block as well as a 92mm fan to cool the VRAM :


 

 

...

 

 

 

 

Here's the current system as of about two months ago; I hate seeing only one of those 670's water cooled but as time has gone by, my agitation has lessened. Seriously, if anyone games at 2560x1440, SLI is the way to go. A single GTX 580 worked decently but got choppy here and there; it was playable though. A single GTX 670 4GB was way better though, but still some stutters in a heavily texture modded Skyrim install and other games like Metro 2033 and Syndicate (the latter being a horribly laggy console port) were even worse. But once I got that second 670 in SLI ... oh man, 2560x1440 REALLY got good ... night and day difference versus a single card :


 

 

 

 

Finally, here's some overclock stats/temps; this was my first 2700K, which, in retrospect was a seriously "golden" chip, needing ridiculously low volts to maintain a stable 5.0ghz overclock, 1.392v ... which, like I said is just stupid low voltage for that clock. But I took it back cause I thought it was bad (but the problem ended up being RAM related). My current 2700K needs 1.46v for the same overclock. I kicked myself in the teeth for six months over that one... ;-)   :


 

 

 

...

 

Anyway ... like I started with, great thread idea. I'm more into computers than I am audio (at least my money defers to computer gear before audio) but audio runs a close second. With audio, I've found I can settle on a desktop rig I like and really never have to change it (I've had my current audio set up for about four years and don't forsee changing...a MHDT Stockholm DAC and a Ray Sam Raptor with Grado GS1000's and Shure SRH840's...all fed via USB/Asio). Computers on the other hand require me to upgrade/build a new system NO MATTER WHAT, every two years. LOL ... both pursuits are incredibly rewarding, though...

 

Oh yeah ... I mostly use my computer rig for video editing/rendering...that's it's utility purpose any way and the most important...also lots of audio/song writing/recording. Gaming is secondary and really only garners about 5 hours a week of my time.

 

Anyway ... rock on.

 

.joel

That is pretty cool.

 

I'm not sure what I could write to make your hour of typing that up worth it.

 

But man, 2 day world record holding!? haha

 

-waits for Haibunyan with his rant on negative pressure etc etc OCN guide e-pen-

 

That is a lot to spend and cool on for things like video editing.

post #1462 of 6080
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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post

I've been way off in to overclocking for the past seven years or so. Computers, networking, hacking and in general for well over 28...

 

Funny true story? I held the world record for the Science Mark 2.0 benchmark suite in the E6400 CPU class for a full two days; a guy in Latvia beat me out. LOL. The record holders were changing every three or four days...it was so fun. I set my rig up in the driveway one night when we had 15F ambient temps in Houston one winter, stayed out there all night...running the bench, pushing the clock, running the bench, pushing the clock... half the time the system would crash mid bench run and I'd have to try again...but I did manage a win score, at least for two days. So fun...

 

Anyway, my current rig is a 2700K that I've been running at 5.0ghz for a full year now (almost exactly a year); it's been rock solid. Offset overclocking is the *****...so much better than the old E6400 as I don't have to run at a constant max volt/clock setting; I think this is going to prolong the life of both CPU's and the overclock itself (which, in the past was more prone to degradation, I think than now).

 

Here's some pr0n/pics from my system build:

 

Here's the current system as of about two months ago; I hate seeing only one of those 670's water cooled but as time has gone by, my agitation has lessened. Seriously, if anyone games at 2560x1440, SLI is the way to go. A single GTX 580 worked decently but got choppy here and there; it was playable though. A single GTX 670 4GB was way better though, but still some stutters in a heavily texture modded Skyrim install and other games like Metro 2033 and Syndicate (the latter being a horribly laggy console port) were even worse. But once I got that second 670 in SLI ... oh man, 2560x1440 REALLY got good ... night and day difference versus a single card :


 

Finally, here's some overclock stats/temps; this was my first 2700K, which, in retrospect was a seriously "golden" chip, needing ridiculously low volts to maintain a stable 5.0ghz overclock, 1.392v ... which, like I said is just stupid low voltage for that clock. But I took it back cause I thought it was bad (but the problem ended up being RAM related). My current 2700K needs 1.46v for the same overclock. I kicked myself in the teeth for six months over that one... ;-)   :

 

Reminds me of overclocking for lols last year. Windows and door open. Ambient of -5C in my room, 5400rpm deltas on the rads and 1.6V through a sandy bridge chip. I killed a 2600K that winter. Current 2500K overclocks like a dream though. 1.35V for 5Ghz. Past that it needed a lot more volts, 1.536V for 5.3Ghz.

 

I'm only on a single GTX670 4GB right now for 1600p. I was tempted by titan for a week, but returned it for the watercooled 670. Might go SLI at some point, but I don't normally play games that are that demanding.

 

If it was for video editing why didn't you go with a i7 3930K or similar? 


Edited by Tangster - 3/29/13 at 4:37pm
post #1463 of 6080
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

That is pretty cool.

 

I'm not sure what I could write to make your hour of typing that up worth it.

 

But man, 2 day world record holding!? haha

 

-waits for Haibunyan with his rant on negative pressure etc etc OCN guide e-pen-

 

That is a lot to spend and cool on for things like video editing.

 

It only took me 20 minutes to write up; the pics already existed at overclock.net and I type 120+ words a minute (and am actually a writer by trade, LOL) ... 

 

And re: video editing/rendering?

 

Shiza man ... I still don't have enough juice. One *never* has enough juice for video work. I'm using a 1TB RAID 0 array (2x velociraptors) and I still wish I could render a 1 hour HD composition faster. ;-) ... video rendering is one of the most demanding (3D rendering as well) things one can do with a computer ...

post #1464 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Reminds me of overclocking for lols last year. Windows and door open. Ambient of -5C in my room, 5400rpm deltas on the rads and 1.6V through a sandy bridge chip. I killed a 2600K that winter. Current 2500K overclocks like a dream though. 1.35V for 5Ghz. Past that it needed a lot more volts, 1.536V for 5.3Ghz.

 

I'm only on a single GTX670 4GB right now for 1600p. I was tempted by titan for a week, but returned it for the watercooled 670. Might go SLI at some point, but I don't normally play games that are that demanding.

 

If it was for video editing why didn't you go with a i7 3930K or similar? 

 

Awesome 2500K chip you've got there. That's stupid good volts. And it's crazy once you hit the wall, huh? Takes so much more up ticks in volts past that certain point.

 

And I didn't go for the 3930K as it hadn't been released when I was ordering (or had *just* been released when I was ordering and the increases, though there, weren't dramatic enough for me to change my build. I won't upgrade my CPU/MB till some time late in 2014, maybe even 2015 cause my current rig still smokes.

 

Also, re: vid cards? I went SLI before Titan but having seen the benches, my SLI set up beats a single Titan in most games and so I'm not tempted to upgrade at all. I'm totally stoked. Like my CPU/MB ... I won't be upgrading video subsystem till late 2014 or maybe even 2015, depending on what games I'm playing. But I generally don't buy a game till at least a year after it's released, as I can get it for 10 bucks at that point, used on Amazon ...and like you, though I love it, gaming just isn't a priority.

 

The great thing about the Nvidia cards is that Sony Vegas can use them via CUDA to increase render times.

 

Win situation.

 

;-)

post #1465 of 6080
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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post

 

It only took me 20 minutes to write up; the pics already existed at overclock.net and I type 120+ words a minute (and am actually a writer by trade, LOL) ... 

 

And re: video editing/rendering?

 

Shiza man ... I still don't have enough juice. One *never* has enough juice for video work. I'm using a 1TB RAID 0 array (2x velociraptors) and I still wish I could render a 1 hour HD composition faster. ;-) ... video rendering is one of the most demanding (3D rendering as well) things one can do with a computer ...

Oh is that your job? Video editing and stuff?

post #1466 of 6080
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Oh is that your job? Video editing and stuff?

 

No .. I do free video editing for bands here in Houston (sort of a Guerrilla Arts(tm) thing) ... see HERE. I also do whatever other free video projects I can for local artists/architects/etc.

 

I meant that writing is one of my "trades" ... LOL ... copy writing, creative writing, essays, etc. I type super fast. ;-)

post #1467 of 6080
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Originally Posted by s1rrah View Post

 

No .. I do free video editing for bands here in Houston (sort of a Guerrilla Arts(tm) thing) ... see HERE. I also do whatever other free video projects I can for local artists/architects/etc.

 

I meant that writing is one of my "trades" ... LOL ... copy writing, creative writing, essays, etc. I type super fast. ;-)

Nice.

 

The camera guy shakes it all over the place though

post #1468 of 6080

Man, Bioshock Infinite is surprisingly easy to run. I'm not maxing it out, but I do have most of the settings maxed, and I'm running with supersampling.

 

 

 

 

 

Gets an absolutely consistent 30FPS.

post #1469 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Kukuk View Post

Man, Bioshock Infinite is surprisingly easy to run. I'm not maxing it out, but I do have most of the settings maxed, and I'm running with supersampling.

 

 

 

Gets an absolutely consistent 30FPS.

Yeah, I was surprised at just how easy it was.

 

High at 1080p with some things on Ultra. No V-sync.

 

Silky smooth.

 

There were some times it was not. But I blame installing all games on my slower hard drive (got it for free).

post #1470 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Kukuk View Post

Man, Bioshock Infinite is surprisingly easy to run. I'm not maxing it out, but I do have most of the settings maxed, and I'm running with supersampling.

 

Gets an absolutely consistent 30FPS.

Yeah, the only option I didn't turn on was the DX11 shader. I forced 8x CSAA on from NCP though, the stock AA left a few too many jaggies.


Edited by Tangster - 3/29/13 at 6:09pm
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